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GKPE 8, Yet more NZ ramblings from some flightless Kiwis.

 
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Aug 02, 2011 20:43 as a reply to  @ post 12866534 |  #2011

How would that work?
Does it emit a constant light? Or just flicker at 23.97 fps

They all have modelling lamps right? But very low brightness in comparison.


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Aug 02, 2011 21:28 |  #2012

I was joking mate! You mentioned strobes for stills, I didn't think video was possible with them at all!


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Aug 02, 2011 23:11 |  #2013

Wazza wrote in post #12866221 (external link)
Thanks for the info.

What made you go for the BXR's instead of the RX? Price? Or weight etc.
Haven't looked through all the specs, but I would imagine the RX has a faster recycle time, but doesn't really matter too much when you're doing stills.


The RX's are a lot more expensive and I'm not using them enough to justify the extra build quality.
The BXRis are in a nice middle ground, and I believe offered the best value for money for what I do.

The actual performance is very similar between them.
The RX's have a slightly faster recycle time, but I doubt would ever notice it, and they do have a slightly shorter flash duration.
But otherwise, performance wise, are the same.
They are built with differently though, and in theory are more robust and less likely to overheat etc.

If your shooting in a studio 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, then the RX's are a better choice. But, so is a proper prophoto or hensel system.
But for 90% of us, the BXRi's are more than adequate.


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Aug 03, 2011 02:24 |  #2014

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Gidday all,
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Our studio should be ready in approx 6 weeks. (Hopefully!) Got Katrina's 21st / engagement party (very very late, as been so busy).
So our final step is buying some new strobes. We already have a couple of Chinese 300W, but our cyclorama is 5.5mx4mx3.5m high, so will need some more power!
Had been looking at Elinchrom's, however been told their accessories and mounts are very expensive, and the better option would be Bowens.
Does anyone have either a good Bowens set or Elinchroms, that can review?

Cheers!

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The RX's are a lot more expensive and I'm not using them enough to justify the extra build quality.
The BXRis are in a nice middle ground, and I believe offered the best value for money for what I do.

The actual performance is very similar between them.
The RX's have a slightly faster recycle time, but I doubt would ever notice it, and they do have a slightly shorter flash duration.
But otherwise, performance wise, are the same.
They are built with differently though, and in theory are more robust and less likely to overheat etc.

If your shooting in a studio 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, then the RX's are a better choice. But, so is a proper prophoto or hensel system.
But for 90% of us, the BXRi's are more than adequate.

You can come and look at mine ;)
I have a RX 600 and a RX 300
2 x D-Lite 400
And a Chinese Walimex 300 (Which I never use)
The RX's are Fantastic lights and well built.
When I got them the BXRi wasn't on the market.
They also work perfectly on the Tronix explorer XT battery pack, so I can take them out into the field.. which is fun.

BUT, as for accessories... yes the Elinchrom stuff is expensive.. but built to last. I have a mixture of 3rd party and Elinchrom.
I bought a 3rd party Barndoors and Grid set.. which constantly fell to bits and never did what I wanted it to. Eventually I bit into the sour apple & bought the Elinchrom set. Totally a different quality. Always a pleasure to use.

I have 3rd party softboxes and beauty dish which work great. My large octo won't handle too many more sessions. The strip lights are as good as new, as I leave them set up.

If you have a large enough space where you can leave your light modifiers permanently setup, then the cheap stuff will do. My large octo is completely falling to pieces as every session I have to build it up, and break it down.

One big difference I notice between the d-lites and the RX heads is the flash duration. If ever you want to freeze motion, like catching someone jumping or freezing any action... then the d-lites just don't do the job. The RX's do.

However put in a nut shell, as Adam said, for normal stuff a flash is a flash is a flash.
My cheap old Chinese thing flashes as good as the Elinchroms when it comes down to it for a simple portrait session.
People talk about how the digital flashes light is so colour stable and exactly reproducible. I never noticed colour shifts. I guess I'm just too insensitive for that stuff.

I think what is important when choosing a system is.
1. Make sure all the flashes are the same make and use the same accessory system. Once you start buying stuff for 1 system, changing to another system can be expensive.
2. Changing the light power from the camera is very handy.. particularly when you have a hair-light hard against the ceiling. or something so high you need a ladder to get to it.

Things to consider.
1. Service (Though I have never needed it .. Touch wood)
2. If the light works on a battery pack
3. Speed of the flash if you want to freeze action.
4. Recycle time. Fast is good particularly when photographing children
5. Power. at both ends. A lot, and very little. I am more often overpowered than underpowered, particularly when doing low keys.


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Aug 04, 2011 02:06 |  #2015

Excuse me....I used to come here a lot, but it's been a while, I'm wondering if I am in the wrong place? It seems to have turned into a photography forum. What happened?


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Aug 04, 2011 04:46 |  #2016

Wazza wrote in post #12865363 (external link)
Our studio should be ready in approx 6 weeks. (Hopefully!) Got Katrina's 21st / engagement party (very very late, as been so busy).
So our final step is buying some new strobes. We already have a couple of Chinese 300W, but our cyclorama is 5.5mx4mx3.5m high, so will need some more power!
Had been looking at Elinchrom's, however been told their accessories and mounts are very expensive, and the better option would be Bowens.
Does anyone have either a good Bowens set or Elinchroms, that can review?

Cheers!

Hi Warren

I've got Bowens, bought them 2nd hand along with some other stuff, too good of a deal to turn down.

However, as I mentioned to Moppie at the time he was looking, if I were to buy new, it would have been the Elinchroms, for all of the reasons he & Peter have mentioned.

akiwi wrote in post #12868177 (external link)
They also work perfectly on the Tronix explorer XT battery pack, so I can take them out into the field.. which is fun.

I've got the Tronix XT as well. I thought your strobes would have been bi-voltage and was on the understanding that the XT wouldn't work with more than 1 bi-voltage strobe attached?

I have a problem with my Bowens; one of them works perfectly on the battery pack but the other is very slow re-charging.

Both work perfectly fine on the mains.

I've sent it in to be checked and they sent both strobes and the battery pack to Aussie (must of cost a fortune in air-freight).

However, they would not even try it on the XT, they tested it with the Bowens high voltage battery pack which worked perfectly and sent them back!!!! Very frustrating.

One of these days when I get some spare time, I'll pull it apart and find out what the problem is.

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Excuse me....I used to come here a lot, but it's been a while, I'm wondering if I am in the wrong place? It seems to have turned into a photography forum. What happened?

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Aug 04, 2011 04:53 |  #2017

Hi Scott.

Mark Vuleta wrote in post #12875077 (external link)
I've got the Tronix XT as well. I thought your strobes would have been bi-voltage and was on the understanding that the XT wouldn't work with more than 1 bi-voltage strobe attached?

Actually the RX's are not bi-voltage.
I didn't knot about that limitation on the tronix. Maybe that is why I have always had problems with the d-lites on it as they are bi-voltage, and normally when I use the lights in the field I set up 2 of them.
Will have to test with only 1 d-lite.


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Aug 04, 2011 05:19 |  #2018

akiwi wrote in post #12875086 (external link)
Hi Scott.


Actually the RX's are not bi-voltage.
I didn't knot about that limitation on the tronix. Maybe that is why I have always had problems with the d-lites on it as they are bi-voltage, and normally when I use the lights in the field I set up 2 of them.
Will have to test with only 1 d-lite.


Goes to show you how much I know!!.

It is a bit of a known issue with bi-voltage stobes, quite a lot of different portable power supplies wont work with multiple units.

If I did a lot of off site stuff where portability would be a major, the Quadra (like Jack just got) would be the way to go but I still think they are a bit light weight.




  
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Aug 04, 2011 05:26 |  #2019

Also prety $$$$ey.

I also think that if I was buying a portable system for in the field, it would be nice to be able to plug them into the mains so you could also use them in the Studio without being limited to battery use.


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Aug 04, 2011 05:37 |  #2020

Agreed about the $$'s. Exp. for me, haven't used my lights for 2 months or more :oops:

As far as I know, they can be plugged in & charging while still in use. I've seen them at APIX and they do appear to be fairly light weight.

Time will tell, I have been know to be wrong in the past :rolleyes:




  
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Aug 07, 2011 17:59 |  #2021

Hi strangers.

Haven't seen most of you in quite some time! Hope you're all well and snapping away.

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Aug 13, 2011 02:22 |  #2022

Is this place dead?
I'm busy planning a holiday in USA.
Next Saturday I fly to New York, where I have 4 days. then off to Boston, New Hampshire for my sisters wedding and Main.
Anyone got any suggestions of what I should not miss seeing or doing in New York
Apart from.. Boat cruse, Empire state, Rockerfeller centre, Central Park, Times square, Broadway, skyline park, Apple store & of course B&H
Geez when I write it down like that I don't think I will have time for anything else.


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Aug 13, 2011 10:53 |  #2023

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Is this place dead?
I'm busy planning a holiday in USA.
Next Saturday I fly to New York, where I have 4 days. then off to Boston, New Hampshire for my sisters wedding and Main.
Anyone got any suggestions of what I should not miss seeing or doing in New York
Apart from.. Boat cruse, Empire state, Rockerfeller centre, Central Park, Times square, Broadway, skyline park, Apple store & of course B&H
Geez when I write it down like that I don't think I will have time for anything else.

Statue Of Liberty? Best way to see in my opinion is actually from the Staten Island Ferry (as its free and you dont have to stand in hours long lines), but if your go to the island itself, do the combined trip with Ellis Island.

Battery Park - There is a sculpture that used to be in front of the WTC, that shows some of the damage from when they fell, as well as a great Eagle sculpture that's a memorial.

Washington Square Arch - Mini Arch De Triomph

Wall Street?

Cathedral of St John The Divine

You'll be able to fill your time very easily.

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Aug 13, 2011 18:33 |  #2024

akiwi wrote in post #12927089 (external link)
Is this place dead?
I'm busy planning a holiday in USA.
Next Saturday I fly to New York, where I have 4 days. then off to Boston, New Hampshire for my sisters wedding and Main.
Anyone got any suggestions of what I should not miss seeing or doing in New York
Apart from.. Boat cruse, Empire state, Rockerfeller centre, Central Park, Times square, Broadway, skyline park, Apple store & of course B&H
Geez when I write it down like that I don't think I will have time for anything else.

The new World Trade centre site is great from what Ive heard from friends who were there just last month... You'll have heaps of photo ops since it is heading into fall (I think...)

Enjoy!


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Aug 14, 2011 01:38 |  #2025

Boo Boo Boo Sounds a bit hollow in here...


Poor Peter, such tough decisions to make.

Wasn't it not very long ago that you were overhere on holiday??

Quick question: Who has the best price on CF cards at present? probably looking for a couple of 8G cards.

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