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Aug 14, 2011 08:50 |  #1

Hello there guys.. i am bit newbie to all this called photography.. atm i keep reading forum manual etc from my camera and try to learn things..
while at same time watching some photo samples and dreaming..

i already started saving up money for my 1st L lens. (not that i gonna buy other anytime soon-some years, as my wife gonna kill me)
regarding my budget and what i wanna shoot..
well i only got the kit lens 18-135

i would want my new lens to be max about the size of 70-200 to use it for "all around" lens .as possible it is for this focal range.
(for the better image quality rather than my kit lens)
i would like to combine one of my trips with f1 and shoot photos there..

400L 2.8L is a dream lens but out of my budget..:(
so i want to try shoot f1 as near as possible regarding the focal range but with the image quality of this lens(as near is possible)..
(i guess not the same using the extender i got in mind and with lower apperture capability)

so for versatile and budget reasons i was thinking for 70-200 IS USM II+ 1.4x III or 2x III canon extender. or 100-400mm
(but i read reviews saying its a bit soft in addition with 70-200 reviews)

i keep watching differences between 70-200 different extenders ISO 12233 Chart 100% Crops (280mm and 400mm)and compare them to 100-400 crops but i got confused..
its hard to guess what are the differences at normal photos

regarding IQ i guess 70-200>100-400 but when extenders come to play
for 70-200 i am confused to what would be make my life easier for f1 shooting..

70-200 with 1.4 or 2.0 extender or 100-400 with max 1.4 extender if i see i need it...

so any opinions are welcome plz..
if u say 100-400 without extender is better than 70-200 with extenders
i may live with 18-135 for all around lens (till-if my next all around upgrade comes) and the 100-400 for special occasions.

damn you airvincent u made me want more range with your dream lens:p

also any help appreciated also from f1 shooters as to what focal ranges are a must for good shots..


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Aug 14, 2011 09:20 |  #2

Unless you are shooting trackside with credentials you'll find that 95% of the time a 70-200 will be too short for motorsport in general.
A 100-400L is a petty damn fine lens for motosport and will be an excellent option for most situations.
There's no one real answer to what focal lengths are a must for good shots, especially at racetracks.
Each track has it's own characteristics and idiosyncracies.


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Aug 14, 2011 09:51 |  #3

philwillmedia wrote in post #12932577 (external link)
Unless you are shooting trackside with credentials you'll find that 95% of the time a 70-200 will be too short for motorsport in general.
A 100-400L is a petty damn fine lens for motosport and will be an excellent option for most situations.
There's no one real answer to what focal lengths are a must for good shots, especially at racetracks.
Each track has it's own characteristics and idiosyncracies.

70-200 with 1.4x or 2x?? will this work fine??

incase only 2x (400mm) will work out fine, u think image quality will be decent or u think 100-400 is the only solution?? (soz if my english suck)


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Aug 14, 2011 09:57 as a reply to  @ philwillmedia's post |  #4

Another alternative all around economical sport lens IMO would be the 300/f4 IS if you can live without the versatility of a zoom if you plan on being on the long end 90% of the time anyways. The extra stop of light comes in handy early & late and you can still maintain AF at f5.6 with a 1.4 TC getting you to 420mm. Used ones can be easily be found for around $1100 and less. Very nice MFD on this lens also for close-ups.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com …L-IS-USM-Lens-Review.aspx (external link)

https://photography-on-the.net …ghlight=300+f4+​IS&page=95

You can also get some sound advice from the folks that predominately shoot Motorsports below with crop body sensors like you have:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/forumdis​play.php?f=90

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Aug 14, 2011 09:59 as a reply to  @ philwillmedia's post |  #5

Telephoto sports options with example images:

Tokina 80-400mm. (external link)

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Canon 70-300mm IS USM. (external link)

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Tamron 70-300mm VC. (external link)

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These lenses are roughly the same price. From actual use and experience, all three are capable of generating good images, based on the photographer's ability.



  
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Aug 14, 2011 11:27 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #6

Thank you a lot guys for your advice.. would prefer to stick to a Canon lens.
Hmm now 300mm comes into play.. thing is I got somehow stuck with 70-200 is usm ii although I never tried one!
But I keep reading for its good performance and I also like its weather sealed..! Anyone here shooting sports with it with 1.4x III or 2x III?
Would love to see 280mm and 400mm samples...

Edit: and any other opinions regarding its comparison to 100-400mm about image quality lets say for 100-200mm which is common


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Aug 14, 2011 16:28 |  #7

Spend $1000 and get 400mm f5.6 and $50 monopod.

BTW - I have 70-200mm f2.8 IS II and 300mm f2.8 IS. Used to have 500mm f4 IS, 100-400L and 400mm f5.6. Nothing beats 400mm prime for the money. You don't need to IS for motor sports. Well you can do the panning with monopod. And I am IS guy. You need the focal length and 400mm f5.6 prime is the ticket.


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Aug 14, 2011 18:32 |  #8

bobbyz wrote in post #12934298 (external link)
Spend $1000 and get 400mm f5.6 and $50 monopod.

BTW - I have 70-200mm f2.8 IS II and 300mm f2.8 IS. Used to have 500mm f4 IS, 100-400L and 400mm f5.6. Nothing beats 400mm prime for the money. You don't need to IS for motor sports. Well you can do the panning with monopod. And I am IS guy. You need the focal length and 400mm f5.6 prime is the ticket.

i think i will go for 70-200 usm ii with the 2xTC as i prefer having a versatile L lens for all around also. my budget doesnt allow me to buy many L glasses i think:confused:

ty for yous suggestions tho;)

question: i watched several unboxing videos from 70-200 2.8L IS USM II and i noticed that some of them had a case with a cd "Canon EOS". howcome not all lenses have the same components???????


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Aug 14, 2011 21:54 |  #9

Giorgos wrote in post #12934793 (external link)
i think i will go for 70-200 usm ii with the 2xTC as i prefer having a versatile L lens for all around also. my budget doesnt allow me to buy many L glasses i think:confused:

ty for yous suggestions tho;)

question: i watched several unboxing videos from 70-200 2.8L IS USM II and i noticed that some of them had a case with a cd "Canon EOS". howcome not all lenses have the same components???????

Honestly I will have better body than a rebel series if you want good AF for sports. Folks say 70-200mm f2.8 IS II works very good with 2xTC but it can't work better than using 2xTC on 300/400mm f2.8 IS and let me tell you I don't like using 2xTC on those superteles for sports work. Too slow an AF on 1dmk2. Now if you still like 70-200mm f2.8 IS II, go ahead and get it. It is very nice lens though.


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Aug 15, 2011 04:52 |  #10

bobbyz wrote in post #12935890 (external link)
Honestly I will have better body than a rebel series if you want good AF for sports. Folks say 70-200mm f2.8 IS II works very good with 2xTC but it can't work better than using 2xTC on 300/400mm f2.8 IS and let me tell you I don't like using 2xTC on those superteles for sports work. Too slow an AF on 1dmk2. Now if you still like 70-200mm f2.8 IS II, go ahead and get it. It is very nice lens though.

i bought t2i about a month ago and no budget for other body...
practising with MF and using it isnt a solution?

edit: regarding the cd (less than half of the unboxings had one)of 70-700 usm ii u know anything?(manual of lens in cd)yours had?


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Aug 15, 2011 09:26 |  #11

There was a CD but I never opened it. Never needed the lens manual.


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Aug 15, 2011 09:48 |  #12

consider the 300 F4L IS....


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Aug 15, 2011 10:01 |  #13

Canon lens only?

I pretty much use the sigma 150-500 full time when I'm at track days. Not sure for F1, but AF was plenty fast on both 550D and 7D.


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Aug 15, 2011 10:32 |  #14

bobbyz wrote in post #12935890 (external link)
Honestly I will have better body than a rebel series if you want good AF for sports.

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No problems with the T2i's autofocus performance at actual events with moving subjects.



  
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Aug 15, 2011 11:02 as a reply to  @ DC Fan's post |  #15

nice photos with the t2i dude:D
as for the 300mmf/4 i wouldnt want this lens.. i think i can take similar results with 70-200 usm ii and 1.4xIII but i think i will go for 70-200 and x2.

great suggestion regarding the sigma lens.. one day i should search reviews etc for sigma as i have no idea about its quality etc... but will have to as i cant afford similar lens from canon. atm as 2nd lens i would need a 70-200mm and use the extender when its needed- as i read in the forum the reults with x2 tc are good

question: regarding international warranty from L lenses that i have read at some forums, do they still exist? or now its US&Canada only? i am from europe and was thinking of buying from US.

some people were able to repair their lenses in europe although they bought from US. (but its damn furstrating the thing that u can get different answers in different EU countries regarding this warranty)
(had even read that in my country they dont even accept warranties for items bought from other country within EU. we gonna have problems if they dont accept lenses.. lol)


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