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Aug 17, 2011 01:07 |  #16

Why wait, life is too short ;)
BTW, I have 5D2, while I'm also waiting for the 5D3 / 3D, I get a 550D / T2i :D


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Aug 17, 2011 08:50 |  #17

I just got a 5D2, but kept one of my 7Ds. Both bodies have their advantages. Why not keep the 60D and get a 5DII? You wouldn't have to shuffle all your lenses that way.


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Aug 17, 2011 09:23 |  #18

What, exactly, is lacking from 60D you have now?

You have a better/faster AF system (9 cross-type points vs 9 points, only center one cross-type + 6 hidden expansion points to help AI Servo shooting... 5DII AF system can keep focsuing, albeit slowly, in a bit lower light).

You have an articulated LCD screen that should be handy for videos.

You have one of the latest video iterations in the 60D, less than a year old. (Among Canon... only the 600D/T3i has "newer" video, slightly additions to 60D). 5DII is almost 3 year old tech now. Not that it's bad, but video implementation on DSLRs is fairly recent and has been advancing pretty quickly. 5DII represents an "early" implementation of vido on a Canon DSLR and 60D, only two years newer, is a more recent one. Only you can say if the video feature differences of the cameras matter to you.

60D has wireless flash control. 5DII doesn't (granted, it's no big deal and even better in some ways to add an ST-E2 module). 60D has built-in popup flash (granted, any built in flash is kind of a joke).

OTOH, 5DII has micro focus adjust, 60D doesn't.

OTOH, the 5DII is a somewhat noisier camera... It think mostly due to the bigger mirror slapping. I shoot a lot of equestrian events and have used a variety of cameras... my 5DII is the only Canon I've had cause a horse to go "vertical" when the shutter fired.... that's happened a few times.

Both cameras use the same batteries, which are good. 60D uses SD/SDHC and 5DII uses compact flash, so you'd need to replace your memory cards, too. SD memory seems less expensive, too. Though I don't know the ratings of SD so have trouble comparing with CF, I saw 16GB Class 10 SDHC locally for $25 the other day. Just bought a couple 16GB 400X UDMA CF cards for use in my 5DII, which cost $60 each.

If I were you, I'd consider keeping and using the 60D... and work on lens kit upgrades instead. The lenses you use will make far more difference in your images, anyway, than the camera you use them on. You could start building a lens kit with a plan to go to or add full frame in the future. Replace the 55-250 with a 70-200, for example. Upgrade the 28/2.8 to a 28/1.8, if it's a focal length you use a lot. Might still want to keep a crop specific UWA, for now, but the 17-50 isn't particularly wide (only you can say if it's wide enough for you).

Just some thoughts and an alternate possibility. 5DII is great... but far from perfect. 60D is also a fine camera, quite capable. Lenses would make a bigger difference, ultimately.


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Aug 17, 2011 09:28 |  #19

amfoto1 wrote in post #12951057 (external link)
What, exactly, is lacking from 60D you have now?

You have a better/faster AF system (9 cross-type points vs 9 points, only center one cross-type + 6 hidden expansion points to help AI Servo shooting... 5DII AF system can keep focsuing, albeit slowly, in a bit lower light).

You have an articulated LCD screen that should be handy for videos.

You have one of the latest video iterations in the 60D, less than a year old. (Among Canon... only the 600D/T3i has "newer" video, slightly additions to 60D). 5DII is almost 3 year old tech now. Not that it's bad, but video implementation on DSLRs is fairly recent and has been advancing pretty quickly. 5DII represents an "early" implementation of vido on a Canon DSLR and 60D, only two years newer, is a more recent one. Only you can say if the video feature differences of the cameras matter to you.

If I were you, I'd keep using the 60D and work on lens kit upgrades. The lenses you use will make far more difference in your images, anyway, than the camera you use them on. You could start building a lens kit with a plan to go to or add full frame in the future.

I'm with amfoto1 on this issue. I don't understand the fixation with 35mm size sensor.

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Aug 17, 2011 09:42 |  #20

davidc502 wrote in post #12951084 (external link)
I'm with amfoto1 on this issue. I don't understand the fixation with 35mm size sensor.

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I don't see the benefits either.


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Aug 17, 2011 09:51 |  #21

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I don't see the benefits either.

Please don't get me wrong. There are some benefits of FF. I use both FF and crop cameres. The differences are pretty subtle and not everyone needs to be concerned with them. Essentially it's differences in depth of field control and more fine detail in the FF camera... but a lot of it won't show until making really, really large prints.

For what I shoot, I'd have to give up FF first, keep the crop cameras. But I'm fortunate to have both and find that they complement each other pretty well, sharing mostly the same lens kit (some lenses I prefer on FF, others on crop).

However I really think the OP is just having a case of buyers remorse or camera envy (Ooooooo... FULL FRAME!). Don't let him try out a Hasselblad/Phase One or Leaf/Mamiya!

Probably would be best served keeping what they have and upgrading lenses rather than camera. That's usually the best route, for most folks. But still a lot of folks upgrade cameras and then wonder why the new one shoots pretty much the same pics as the old one.


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Aug 17, 2011 10:06 |  #22

Reason why I want to upgrade to a 5D2 is because I plan on going more in depth with Videography and be a second shooter at weddings. Don't get me wrong the 60D is fantastic but when comparing the quality of the 24-70L on the 60d to the 5D2 there was a difference. But thats just my opinion?


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Aug 17, 2011 10:26 |  #23

Crispy1 wrote in post #12951361 (external link)
Reason why I want to upgrade to a 5D2 is because I plan on going more in depth with Videography and be a second shooter at weddings. Don't get me wrong the 60D is fantastic but when comparing the quality of the 24-70L on the 60d to the 5D2 there was a difference. But thats just my opinion?

That simply means you're using the wrong lens for the job. For a APS-C, you should be using 17-55/2.8, OR one of the other 3rd party 17-50(-ish) equivalents.


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Aug 17, 2011 10:32 |  #24

I do have the 17-50 2.8 and dont get me wrong its great but I wanted to utilize my L lense more


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Aug 17, 2011 11:32 |  #25

If you really want to get into weddings, well there is no arguing that 5DII is perhaps the most ideal camera... but depending upon your budget it might be even more reason to stick with 60D for now. As 2nd shooter it might not be necessary immediately, but you should plan to have two cameras... a backup is essential because there are no "do overs" in wedding photography.

Now, the primary photog you are shooting 2nd for might have compatible gear and be able to help out if you have a problem with your camera... Or your part of the assignment might be more the "optional" candid shots. So as a 2nd shooter it might be a little less essential that you have two cameras. But I generally prefer when 2nd shooters have two cameras when I hire them to help out with jobs (not so much weddings, but other events). But I also have backup cameras that I could loan them, if really needed.

Of course, two cameras means more cost. That might be another reason to stick with 60D for now. Two 60D = $2000 approx. Two 5DII = $5000, approx. A 60D + a 5DII = $3500 approx.

You should have at least two flashes, too. On the other hand, with lenses backups are less necessary, so long as you have reasonable overlap that would allow you to keep shooting should something happen to one lens. I do have backups for my most critical lenses (28-135 to backup 24-70, two 300mm... planning to add a second 70-200 sometime soon).

I'm pretty much exclusively a still shooter, so really can't speak with much authority about videography, would just be somewhat concerned because 60D is actually two year newer video tech than 5DII. And, seems to me that video tech is one of the most rapidly developing features in DSLRs.

I use 24-70 extensively on crop cameras... It's a fine lens for that, too. The only thing, it's only f2.8. If you're looking for shallow depth of field, you might want to complement the zoom with some faster primes: 28/1.8 or 30/1.4, 50/1.4, 85/1.8. With those you can get much the same effects as using an f2.8 lens on FF. A set of primes also serve as backup for your zooms, and vice versao.

If DOF isn't your concern, 24-70 is a fine lens on a crop camera and I don't see what's stopping your from using it on 60D. Maybe it feels big and nose-heavy and unbalanced due to it's weight vs the lighter camera? If so, add a battery grip to the camera and see if that helps.

I hear a lot of good things about the 17-50 non-VC, in terms of image quality. Mostly it's just the AF performance people find lacking, and better with the Canon lenses.

The primes mentioned above are just as fast or faster focusing, and as accurate, as 24-70. They are all USM (or similar HSM in the case of any Sigma), same as the 24-70... Your 28/2.8 and 55-250 are not USM so, while capable optically, will be slower focusing and not as accurate.

If you really feel you need 5DII, go for it. Certainly it's one of the most ideal wedding cameras. I still feel a 2nd shooter with a pair of 60D would be able to do a fine job, and that it's better to put one's emphasis in lenses rather than camera... But if you gotta have FF, get it.

One last thought, even though it's pure speculation.... Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 5D Mark III sometime next year. The original was replaced after 3 years, and the Mark II has been on the market just under 3 years now. And, in the past Canon has rolled 5D models about out a year after comparable 1Ds models (probably to keep the 5D from cutting into the top of the line model sales too much), and the 1Ds Mk III is now overdue for an update... But there is no guarantee of them sticking with the same schedule and even a lot of rumors that future 1D series will be quite a departure from what they offer now. However, once a 5DIII comes available, there will be a significant drop in price of 5DII. For anyone looking at a 5DII, which will still be a great camera, that will be a real buying opportunity. For anyone owning and using a 5DII (like me), that will be depreciation in the resale value of their camera.


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Aug 17, 2011 12:43 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #26

Take a cold shower then do some comparison shopping.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …ws/canoneos60d/​page17.asp (external link)

I see virtually no difference between the 60D and 5DII. Is it worth the extra expense, weight, size? After being tempted by FF I've decided to stick with the crops. If I want higher quality I'll go with 6x7 film (remember that?) that gives me an effective ~75MP.




  
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Aug 17, 2011 12:46 |  #27

amfoto1 wrote in post #12951241 (external link)
However I really think the OP is just having a case of buyers remorse or camera envy (Ooooooo... FULL FRAME!). Don't let him try out a Hasselblad/Phase One or Leaf/Mamiya!

This might be the case. For filming for me the 60d is better. Invest the money instead on a good zoom with IS if you really like filming.



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