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Aug 20, 2011 07:52 |  #181

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Aug 20, 2011 09:40 |  #182

quiksquirrel wrote in post #12966791 (external link)
While this is true, many of us do unpaid work as well as paid work.
The concept of TFP is not reserved for the beginner. I for one like to help a new model build their portfolio and their experience every once in a while. In return, I get a lot of creative freedom, and some photos that I might not otherwise have gotten.
Not to mention a few hours of fun shooting.

Can still do all of this while getting properly compensated. Offer discounts when it works.

My time is precious and it's the only thing I have. It's finite and I have no idea when it ends. I place a high value on that time and I just don't give it away for nothing.


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Aug 20, 2011 10:38 |  #183

BoneJj wrote in post #12967389 (external link)
What bag are you using that has room for that big of a tarp?

The ultra lightweight ones are remarkably small, so finding room for one is not that difficult.
For various gear (most things other than cameras and lenses), I use a few different bags. I have Blackhawk and 5.11 range bags that have served me well for years.

dsmPhotoCompany wrote in post #12967755 (external link)
Can still do all of this while getting properly compensated. Offer discounts when it works.

My time is precious and it's the only thing I have. It's finite and I have no idea when it ends. I place a high value on that time and I just don't give it away for nothing.

BS.

With a business to run, time is not exactly the thing I have most of. And every minute is worth something.

Helping people get started, is something I find the time for, because I like doing it. And that time is re-payed with a fair amount of exposure. I get inquiries for payed work, from people who have only seen the things I have done for free. Helping one person, may very well mean that their entire family and friends will know your name when they need a photographer. It happens more than you might think.
Not to mention the agencies that also see that persons portfolio.

It's perfectly fine that you don't WAN'T to do that. But don't make it sound like you are simply to important.
Time is something you take.

And seriously.. If you don't have 2 hours every once in a while, you are running your business the wrong way.




  
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Aug 20, 2011 10:46 |  #184

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You should read the MM rules. They list all the things they will kick you off or suspend you for. No negativity allowed. No code words or coded list names, etc.

I looked over your work. Nice stuff.

I also searched MM in my area.

On the results page: about 150
Of the first 75 or so, active in 2011 at all: 25
Have at least one photo not taken with a P&S or phone: 6
Of the remaining 5, number which had anything like a good photograph: 2

So, is MM a place filled with people who just want to say they model, like a FB brag?

I wonder how MM makes money. They are charging someone.

MM reminds me of the old local scene where girl goes and pays for a photo shoot for a 'portfolio' at a 'modelling agency' -- and they are still in my area, and appear to be doing fine -- but MM is 'free' because people will shoot TFP.

I think that is interesting, because now, on the flip side, we have anyone with a camera and an e-mail account who can say s/he is a photog.

I did notice that many accounts, such as yours, list the facility and a few rules. Those look more legit than a lot of profiles.


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Aug 20, 2011 10:56 |  #185

quiksquirrel wrote in post #12967956 (external link)
BS.

With a business to run, time is not exactly the thing I have most of. And every minute is worth something.

Helping people get started, is something I find the time for, because I like doing it. And that time is re-payed with a fair amount of exposure. I get inquiries for payed work, from people who have only seen the things I have done for free. Helping one person, may very well mean that their entire family and friends will know your name when they need a photographer. It happens more than you might think.
Not to mention the agencies that also see that persons portfolio.

It's perfectly fine that you don't WAN'T to do that. But don't make it sound like you are simply to important.
Time is something you take.

And seriously.. If you don't have 2 hours every once in a while, you are running your business the wrong way.

It's not BS. I have plenty of "2 hours every once in a while". Unlike some, I value my time and want to spend time with family and friends. I love having a camera in my hand - but it does not consume me.

You can still help a person get started by receiving compensation. The work given away is not valued even remotely as much as the work that is commissioned.

Agencies see our portraits all the time - rarely is it work we did uncommissioned. "Getting noticed" is not a reason to do work for free - more times than not it doesn't pan out.

Do we shoot TF*? Yes - but it's extremely rare and we're certainly not finding a random model on MM and scheduling a session. Everything we do requires planning and a time investment up front from our client.

There are plenty weighing in on this subject giving some rather strong "opinions" without any real experience to back it up.


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Aug 20, 2011 11:00 |  #186

S.Horton wrote in post #12967985 (external link)
I looked over your work. Nice stuff.

I also searched MM in my area.

On the results page: about 150
Of the first 75 or so, active in 2011 at all: 25
Have at least one photo not taken with a P&S or phone: 6
Of the remaining 5, number which had anything like a good photograph: 2

So, is MM a place filled with people who just want to say they model, like a FB brag?

I wonder how MM makes money. They are charging someone.

Is it really that bad?
I have heard a lot about that site, but thought it was at least slightly usable.

Why would any professional wan't to deal with that sort of stuff?




  
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Aug 21, 2011 10:13 |  #187

quiksquirrel wrote in post #12968054 (external link)
Is it really that bad?
I have heard a lot about that site, but thought it was at least slightly usable.

Why would any professional wan't to deal with that sort of stuff?

Some people have the tolerance and/or time to wade through the mud to get to the gems. Some people don't.


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Aug 29, 2011 05:08 as a reply to  @ nathancarter's post |  #188

I got a rather funny excuse last saturday. For tonight I had planned a shoot at a lake with a 16 year old model with little experience. She had contacted me via a mutual friend and I deceided to give her a chance on some very strict conditions. Her mother had to be present the entire time, she needed to come up with a good concept, etc. Everything was planned in the following 4-5 weeks and she came up with some great ideas, but last Saturday she send me an e-mail saying she had gained to much weight. Probably she got an extra 20lb while sleeping. :)


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Sep 02, 2011 13:42 as a reply to  @ Cpt.Vanquisher's post |  #189

Lord knows I've had more than my share of flakey models. But the worst was just recently when I actually had a model show up, and then flake AFTER she arrived.

She showed up and everything seemed fine. She sat through hair and makeup, and just as we were about to start the shoot, the makeup artist comes to me and says "we have a problem". Her excuse was that she didn't like the way her makeup was done, and wanted to remove it all so she could do her own makeup the way SHE wanted. Her makeup was perfect BTW. The makeup artist is one of the best around. She was just flaking.

I had the whole crew trying to reassure her that she looked great, etc. but to no avail. She then gave another BS excuse saying that she was tired and wanted to go home, and got up and walked right off the set. It's the first time that's ever happened to me on a shoot. We all stood around dumbfounded at what just took place. It still blows my mind when I think about it.




  
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Sep 02, 2011 14:44 |  #190

Ledrak wrote in post #13041769 (external link)
Lord knows I've had more than my share of flakey models. But the worst was just recently when I actually had a model show up, and then flake AFTER she arrived.

She showed up and everything seemed fine. She sat through hair and makeup, and just as we were about to start the shoot, the makeup artist comes to me and says "we have a problem". Her excuse was that she didn't like the way her makeup was done, and wanted to remove it all so she could do her own makeup the way SHE wanted. Her makeup was perfect BTW. The makeup artist is one of the best around. She was just flaking.

I had the whole crew trying to reassure her that she looked great, etc. but to no avail. She then gave another BS excuse saying that she was tired and wanted to go home, and got up and walked right off the set. It's the first time that's ever happened to me on a shoot. We all stood around dumbfounded at what just took place. It still blows my mind when I think about it.

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Sep 06, 2011 13:26 |  #191

I'm new to MM and haven't had any luck yet. Well, I do have one experienced model I've talked to who seems to be flat-out awesome, but I'm not experienced enough to work with someone like that. I'm very new to shooting people instead of landscapes, nature and architecture. I've already had the "Hey, I'd love to work with you!" person who just disappears and stops responding to messages even though I can see that she reads them.

Then yesterday I had my first scheduled shoot...and the model flaked on me. She later replied to apologize saying that she decided to go swimming with her friends, instead. WTF?


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Sep 06, 2011 17:01 |  #192

Neiby wrote in post #13059548 (external link)
I'm new to MM and haven't had any luck yet. Well, I do have one experienced model I've talked to who seems to be flat-out awesome, but I'm not experienced enough to work with someone like that. I'm very new to shooting people instead of landscapes, nature and architecture. I've already had the "Hey, I'd love to work with you!" person who just disappears and stops responding to messages even though I can see that she reads them.

Then yesterday I had my first scheduled shoot...and the model flaked on me. She later replied to apologize saying that she decided to go swimming with her friends, instead. WTF?

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Sep 17, 2011 21:03 |  #193

OK New ones. These are from the same model exactly 2 weeks apart.

Julia
09/04/11 8:37 AM
Hey, I am so sorry to do this, but my aunt has been in an accident so I need to get to charleston asap... I was really looking forward to shooting today... I would still love to shoot with you so please let me know whenever you have time, because I would love to do a shoot sometime! I can come up to your studio or whatever would work! Hope this isn't a super inconvenience...
Thanks
Julia

I am so sorry I had two finance tests yesterday and was so crazy studying I forgot about the shoot! I feel terrible to have forgotten and I was so looking forward to it! Let me know if we can reschedule at all...

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Apr 28, 2012 06:15 |  #194

Not a model flaking, but an artist who wants a photo to draw from, he sent me this message on facebook:

I'm cancelling
I've cut my thumb off.
Having to go to the doctor, will reschedule.



Only it turns out he really has cut the top of his thumb off and spent the afternoon at A&E getting it reattached......... :eek:


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Apr 30, 2012 14:44 |  #195

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Not a model flaking, but an artist who wants a photo to draw from, he sent me this message on facebook:
Only it turns out he really has cut the top of his thumb off and spent the afternoon at A&E getting it reattached......... :eek:

What the crap? Did he have a circular saw accident? I've seen so many of those! Some people just shouldn't have power tools.


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