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Sep 07, 2011 16:17 |  #1

I know many have mentioned this already in the recent past, and we've had periodic exoduses of long standing members here, but I have to vent.

I've been a member here since 2006. Generally speaking, I'd have to say this is my favorite photography related forum. I think we have mostly a great community here.

But the photo sharing section seems to get a little dicey when it comes to dishing out honest C & C...and I mean HONEST C & C, which I feel is a cornerstone in improving one's skills. I like to pay it forward because a lot of the folks here have helped me immensely in my growth as a photographer. But it gets frustrating...

There are those who can do no wrong with their photos and ALWAYS get the "You are awesome" comments.

There are those who can dish it out but can't take it in return.

There are those who get offended at any hint of criticism.

Then there are those who get offended at any hint of criticism then personally attack you in retaliation.

Sigh...time to move on? :(




  
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Sep 07, 2011 16:21 |  #2

Maybe stop looking at the photo sharing sections?

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Sep 07, 2011 16:22 |  #3

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13065898 (external link)
Maybe stop looking at the photo sharing sections?

;-)a

Simple as that eh? :D




  
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Sep 07, 2011 16:25 |  #4

Well I hope not nicksan. I always enjoy reading you comments and seeing the work that you post. I think you will always have people who can not take criticism and do personal attacks whenever you go.


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Sep 07, 2011 16:26 |  #5

nicksan wrote in post #13065903 (external link)
Simple as that eh? :D

Well, it's one solution...

Seriously, I agree with ya. I wish there was better criticism too, but in reality that takes work and that's not always something people are willing to do anymore, especially on the Internet where it has become a drive-by type thing for most stuff.

Another forum I'm on, has implemented a CC/NC button for all posts, so that members can explicitly ask for critique or tell others right off the bat, that they don't want it.

Does it work? Meh... sometimes, I guess. I just don't know of a solution, especially for such a large site that has SO many visitors, each with their own prerogative.




  
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Sep 07, 2011 16:29 |  #6

scorpio_e wrote in post #13065920 (external link)
Well I hope not nicksan. I always enjoy reading you comments and seeing the work that you post. I think you will always have people who can not take criticism and do personal attacks whenever you go.

I try not to take things too personally since this is the internet after all, but sometimes it takes me by surprise when someone begins to go on the offensive in response to my C & C. I try not to sugar coat things when I give out C & C because I personally find that it's not useful when I get sugar coated C & C myself. So I am just trying to pay it forward, but it's really not worth the hassle or the aggravation of being baited into silly arguments or having to defend my C & C. It almost makes me want to refrain from ever providing C & C. I just don't get it. When I post images, I don't mind at all when people break down my images. I actually really appreciate it.

Just the other day, I sent out a link to some images to some friends thinking they would be impressed. They broke me down so bad, I went in the corner crying! Well, not really...but it's humbling...and I told them I really appreciated the honesty! :)




  
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Sep 07, 2011 16:32 |  #7

I don't go into the wedding photo sharing forum any more, unless i'm reaaaaaaly bored. It's almost all beginners telling other beginners that they're awesome, when in reality the images are usually pretty suckful. People don't like to be told they suck, but sometimes a bit of schadenfreude is therapeutic ;)


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Sep 07, 2011 16:34 |  #8

tim wrote in post #13065969 (external link)
I don't go into the wedding photo sharing forum any more, unless i'm reaaaaaaly bored. It's almost all beginners telling other beginners that they're awesome, when in reality the images are usually pretty suckful. People don't like to be told they suck, but sometimes a bit of schadenfreude is therapeutic ;)

Ha! :lol:




  
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Sep 07, 2011 17:34 as a reply to  @ nicksan's post |  #9

We started the How to photograph a High school senior thread and its turned out to be a great thread. Kind of what we were hoping for and there has been a lot of excellent information shared in there as well as a lot of excellent photographers contributing.

I agree with you nickson. I know benji stepped on his toes a few times offereing critique so you have to be careful. The critique corner gets some productive remarks and critique so you can post in there but in general, there really isnt a place for the wedding photogs to go and help each other out like we do in the HS senior thread. Too bad really because there is a lot of talent in here.


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Sep 07, 2011 17:51 |  #10

I stopped giving honest critique long ago. People just don't want it. It takes a lot of effort and time to put in a detailed, helpful response. It's pointless to put in the effort when people don't want to hear it (even though they ask).


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Sep 07, 2011 18:03 |  #11

tim wrote in post #13065969 (external link)
I don't go into the wedding photo sharing forum any more, unless i'm reaaaaaaly bored. It's almost all beginners telling other beginners that they're awesome, when in reality the images are usually pretty suckful. People don't like to be told they suck, but sometimes a bit of schadenfreude is therapeutic ;)

You've said what has been on my mind for a year now. I no longer frequent it.


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Sep 07, 2011 18:07 |  #12

I have no where near the seniority nor the credibility of those in this thread but you are spot on Nick. The only value I have found in the photo sharing section is looking at others work for ideas and inspiration. Not much worth in scrolling down and reading anymore.


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Sep 07, 2011 18:10 |  #13

Most people don't want C&C for some reason. I don't see why you post your images here, if you don't want C&C though.

It's not uncommon to see people get upset at the C&C given in their threads. On the other hand, the advanced Photogs here aren't going out of their way to help anyone either. Just like you guys were saying you stay out of the wedding section. You realize you are 100x better than the newbies, but you aren't going to help them get better.


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Sep 07, 2011 18:15 |  #14

Actually, 'fro knows photos' just had a post about this not long ago. Although I don't really like the guy myself, he did have a good message. Make sure to give some sort of compliment, about the composition, or the lighting, or whatever. Then give criticism, and a tad about how to improve the shots. I figure if I start doing it, maybe others will too. This way the person doesn't feel like giving up, and knows what to work on. (even though they probably won't)

I'm trying to get more active on the forums, but it is hard when you see so many 'that's awesome' posts. I don't want that, I want advice on how to get better, not to stroke my ego.


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Sep 07, 2011 18:18 |  #15

There is a terrific thread going on here:
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You might right enjoy it. (Once you get to reply #7, it gets better)


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