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Sep 08, 2011 08:55 |  #1

hi all,

I'm new here. I've been lurking for a while and this is a great community for sure.

I have a T1i and the birth of our first son precipitated my interest into more "serious" photography.

In order to get good shots of him indoors I got a 35L as a good compromise (between the 24 and 50).

I also got a 100L because I love taking macro shots and it also doubles nicely as a telephoto in my T1i.

Now, I must say that my plans are to upgrade to a 5DII whenever the III comes out and my choice of lenses was made with that in mind. I may complement this prime set with a 50/1.4 once I move to FF but for now it should be ok for most of the cases.

so with this in mind which zoom would you get to complement the 35 and 100?

I must say that I'm completely amazed by the change in quality that I got after getting the L primes and this has created a bit of a L bias for me. I always chose quality over quantity so I prefer to have less pieces but have them be premium quality.

I think the best option for a crop sensor is the 17-55IS. Most reviews are excellent and covers the range I'm looking for. However...it's a EF-S and is bound to become "obsolete" once I get the 5DII...so I'm wondering if a good compromise for now wouldn't be to get something like the 17-40L that then later can be used as a wide angle.

Also, should mention that I'm looking mainly to use this zoom for travel and outdoor shooting. Mostly in day light as well although low light occasions always show up.

Well, apologies for the rambling...just wanted to get some opinions on this.




  
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Sep 08, 2011 09:03 |  #2

I'd suggest the 16-35mk2. This will be the f/2.8 zoom that will give you faster shutter speeds when your shooting low available light. It will be a short zoom for your current crop but IMO its a nice FL zoom to force you to move around a bit making you understand perspective.

I love my 17-40L but lately I am wanting to use this zoom indoors for fun shots since its UWA on my FF bodies. F/4 is too slow for my taste. I like to shoot natural light as much as possible. However I also dont mind using flash intelligently and use proper bouncing techniques.

If your gearing up for FF bodies this is a logical choice. If your gonna keep you crop the 17-55 is the better solution. If you dont want to thro too many $$$ settle for a Tamron 17-50 VC since its a great piece of glass for the $$$$ geared for crop bodies.


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Sep 08, 2011 09:07 as a reply to  @ AlanU's post |  #3

17-40 is a good choice, 16-35 is also good but costs about 2x more than the 17-40. i don't think you'll see a 2x improvement in IQ so I'd start with the 17-40. if you get it and are not happy, you can always move to the 16-35.




  
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Sep 08, 2011 09:18 |  #4

^^^What rick said.


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Sep 08, 2011 10:04 |  #5

24-70 outta the question? 16 or 17 is nice on full frame but you will feel a bit limited once you move to full frame. if you want a cheaper solution you could look at the Tamron 17-35mm 2.8-4. it is also useful for full frame, but wont break the bank. then you could get the 24-70 with the 5dII. 17-35 is no longer made, but is very inexpensive and very sharp. on full frame the corners suffer a bit but i rather like the look. and the colors from that lens are AMAZING. who knew there was a gem in a $250ish lens?


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Sep 08, 2011 12:31 |  #6

seoul4korea wrote in post #13069741 (external link)
^^^What rick said.

Sorry but if you can afford fast glass .....get it. I regret due to a slow shutter speed using f/4 indoors....just sayin'

The 17-40 is awesome but its still f/4. I'd rather use a 16-35 in good/decent light rather than being stuck using a prime sometimes.


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Sep 08, 2011 13:10 |  #7

AlanU wrote in post #13070639 (external link)
Sorry but if you can afford fast glass .....get it. I regret due to a slow shutter speed using f/4 indoors....just sayin'

The 17-40 is awesome but its still f/4. I'd rather use a 16-35 in good/decent light rather than being stuck using a prime sometimes.

yeah, kinda wish the 17-35 was constant 2.8, but im usually using with flash in the neighborhood of f/5.6 anyway. like this, which was actually f/7.1

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Like i said...something to consider for the interim. then get the 24-70 with the 5d, cause i find that to be a bit long on a crop cam.

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Sep 08, 2011 13:34 |  #8

Cool shots and great story telling. People dig these UWA shots.

I really love my 17-40L but I think I'll be buying a 16-35L as my next lens

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yeah, kinda wish the 17-35 was constant 2.8, but im usually using with flash in the neighborhood of f/5.6 anyway. like this, which was actually f/7.1

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heres a wide open shot at 2.8:

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Like i said...something to consider for the interim. then get the 24-70 with the 5d, cause i find that to be a bit long on a crop cam.


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Sep 08, 2011 13:38 |  #9

AlanU wrote in post #13070956 (external link)
Cool shots and great story telling. People dig these UWA shots.

I really love my 17-40L but I think I'll be buying a 16-35L as my next lens

Thanks. i considered the 17-40 but for the price/performance of the tamron...was a no-brainer. 16-35 II is always a consideration but i have other things i want before that. extra mm on the short end would be valuable, as well as 2.8, but dont use the 2.8 very often.


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Sep 08, 2011 13:50 |  #10

also, a shot at 17mm 2.8 on a APS-H (1D Mark II). corners behave a little better on a crop camera, and the colors are insane.

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Sep 08, 2011 15:24 |  #11

Rui Peixoto wrote in post #13069635 (external link)
I think the best option for a crop sensor is the 17-55IS. Most reviews are excellent and covers the range I'm looking for. However...it's a EF-S and is bound to become "obsolete" once I get the 5DII...so I'm wondering if a good compromise for now wouldn't be to get something like the 17-40L that then later can be used as a wide angle.

I personally would go with the 17-55. It will be more versatile than both the 17-40 and the 16-35 since it covers a greater range, still has fixed f2.8, and has IS.

Some people don't like the idea of selling equipment, but I would rather buy something that is the better fit for my current needs/equipment and deal with the minor hassle of selling it off later vs. buying something that might be the right fit in the future.




  
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Sep 08, 2011 16:53 as a reply to  @ bpark42's post |  #12

I'll probably keep the T1i whenever I get the 5Dii because I'm realizing that for the price it's a cheap way to get more focal ranges out of the available lenses.

I'm guessing that the 5dii will be much better indoors with the primes but will there also be a big difference with light outdoors?

If you consider an "outdoor" rig with the T1i + 10-22 + 17-55...

vs investing in a 17-40 and eventually a 24-70 or 24-105 for the 5Dii...

can the T1i system compete?

Because I was thinking of getting the 5Dii after xmas even if the mkiii is not released. So if it's just better to ge the L's anyway I may just bite the bulletand get it now.

ah...decisions...;)

and btw, nice shots wernersl!




  
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Sep 08, 2011 17:01 |  #13

AlanU wrote in post #13070639 (external link)
Sorry but if you can afford fast glass .....get it. I regret due to a slow shutter speed using f/4 indoors....just sayin'

The 17-40 is awesome but its still f/4. I'd rather use a 16-35 in good/decent light rather than being stuck using a prime sometimes.

I think I failed to state something that you pointed out....

If you don't have the money for the 16-35 II then you could look into either the 17-40 + a flash

Or

ef-s 17-55.

Thanks for pointing it out and I do understand that f4 may not be a good lens for indoor, even though he's saying zoom I guess I could say a prime?


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Sep 08, 2011 17:12 |  #14

"Also, should mention that I'm looking mainly to use this zoom for travel and outdoor shooting. Mostly in day light as well although low light occasions always show up."

A 70-200mm f/2.8 lens is great for photographing children when outside. It is a little large as a travel lens for many people. I love mine when photographing young family members. The zoom range allows the children to be natural while playing. Some children are camera shy and others become clowns when near a camera. Having a lens with f/2.8 helps to blur distracting backgrounds, a feature I have found more useful than gaining one stop in exposure.


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Sep 08, 2011 17:24 |  #15

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and btw, nice shots wernersl!

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