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Just got a 60D, now which walkaround lens?

 
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Sep 08, 2011 19:49 as a reply to  @ post 13072343 |  #31

Well I went ahead ahead and ordered the Canon 15-85. It was a little more than I had originally planned on spending but given the reviews and the range it seemed like it was the better option for me.

My original goal was to find a lens that would allow me to just grab the camera and go without having to worry about carrying another lens. From what I've read and your comments, seems like this lens should be fit that need.

I'm ordering from amazon so i'll have 30 days to play around with it and see if I want to keep it. Now I just need to get out there and start taking some pictures. Seems like there is a lot to read and learn but I feel the best way is probably just to get out there and start seeing what works or dosen't.

I'll also research the 50mm canon prime you guys suggested looks like a great learning lens as well.


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Sep 08, 2011 20:31 as a reply to  @ FIGJAM's post |  #32

I think you'll enjoy the 15-85, but if not, you'll be able to sell it and try something else. For what it's worth, I bought the Canon 50 1.4, and while it does a fine job, I'd have been happier with something in the 28 to 35mm range, which more closely approximates a "normal" view in a crop sensor camera.


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Sep 08, 2011 20:32 as a reply to  @ post 13071005 |  #33

My vote is for the Canon 15-85 if you can afford it. It's a great lens. If you need to go a bit cheaper, the 18-135 that comes with the kit is a good lens as is the Canon 17-85 or the Sigma 17-70.

Whatever you do, make sure that bottom range is around 18mm or shorter. Otherwise you will find yourself seriously wanting on the wider side. You have the long side covered with the 55-250 but some overlap is nice which is why I'm not recommending the 17-50 or similar lenses. Nothing will irritate you more than having to bounce back and forth between lenses when shooting at a very common 40-60mm range.

One more recommendation here. Get a 50mm 1.8. It's only about $100 refurbished. Then use what you have left to choose your walkaround. You REALLY want at least one fast prime in your kit. You'll find the ability to have that lens at your disposal much more useful than the IQ improvement and 2mm difference between the Canon 15-85 and 17-85.


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Sep 08, 2011 20:33 |  #34

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Well I went ahead ahead and ordered the Canon 15-85. It was a little more than I had originally planned on spending but given the reviews and the range it seemed like it was the better option for me.

I just looked at the price of that lens. Holy mother of ... ! :shock:

Not the lens I would have chosen in your situation.

In your situation, since you're new, I would have gone with the 18-55 IS. Dirt cheap, great optics. And if it doesn't suit your needs, then you haven't lost much. If it does, then you've freed up a big pile of cash to spend on other things.


For the price you probably paid for your 15-85, plus $10, you could have picked up a Sigma 17-50 f/2.8 OS (which is optically at least as good as the Canon 17-55 IS) and the 50 f/1.8.

My original goal was to find a lens that would allow me to just grab the camera and go without having to worry about carrying another lens. From what I've read and your comments, seems like this lens should be fit that need.

Only experience will say. But you'll find out soon enough. I really hope you love that lens.

But here's the problem: what experience do you have to properly evaluate the lens' strengths and weaknesses? That's the trap that a lot of new DSLR photographers fall into -- they buy too much lens, or the wrong lens, because they don't have enough experience to know what they'll really need. That's why I and others here generally recommend the "nifty trio" (see below) to beginners.

Hopefully you'll be able to avoid that trap through experience. The 15-85 is definitely a good lens, but aside from the slightly additional focal length range on the wide and long ends, I don't really know what real advantages it will bring to the table over the 18-55 IS. In any case, don't be bashful around here. Ask lots of questions and learn from the answers. Worst case is you sell the lens later on (but, as you say, you'll have 30 days to return it if necessary).

I'll also research the 50mm canon prime you guys suggested looks like a great learning lens as well.

I normally recommend 3 lenses to people who are new to DSLR photography: the 18-55 IS, the 55-250 IS, and the 50 f/1.8. Between them, they cover a huge focal length range, and the 50 f/1.8 allows you to play with wide aperture photography. Basically, it's an awesome way to get your feet wet without breaking the bank, because the total for all three of those lenses is around $450 and they are all optically quite good.


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Sep 09, 2011 01:19 |  #35

Don't worry, you'll love the 15-85. It's taken over "walkaround" duties from my 17-40L. 50 f/1.8 is a nice prime to start with but you may find a little long if you're using it inside - since I got the Sigma 30 f/1.4 I haven't used the 50. On the other hand, you shouldn't lose any money if you get the 50 used and sell it later.


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Sep 09, 2011 02:34 |  #36

FIGJAM wrote in post #13072751 (external link)
Well I went ahead ahead and ordered the Canon 15-85. It was a little more than I had originally planned on spending but given the reviews and the range it seemed like it was the better option for me.

My original goal was to find a lens that would allow me to just grab the camera and go without having to worry about carrying another lens. From what I've read and your comments, seems like this lens should be fit that need.

I'm ordering from amazon so i'll have 30 days to play around with it and see if I want to keep it. Now I just need to get out there and start taking some pictures. Seems like there is a lot to read and learn but I feel the best way is probably just to get out there and start seeing what works or dosen't.

I'll also research the 50mm canon prime you guys suggested looks like a great learning lens as well.

Congrats on the 15-85. You'll appreciate the focal range and image quality. Getting used to swapping lens while on the go is one of those things you need to figure out for yourself. It's nice you have the option to keep lens swapping to a minimum.

FWIW, I'd next look at an external flash. It takes more practice to learn to use flash properly, but, if you got to get those indoor family shots in, an external flash is quite useful. Not to mention the utility of fill flash outdoors.

I went with a 50/1.8 and found I hardly used it. It wasn't sharp enough wide open, hated trying to manually focus with it.. I used the 50/1.4 a lot more. The thing to watch out for is that on a APS-C sensor, a 50mm is closer to a portrait lens which maybe too tight for what you want to use a prime for. A 35/2 might suit you better in terms of focal length. Be sure to figure that question out by examining what focal lengths you use the most with your 15-85.


EOS-M | 40D | 5DII | 5DIII | EF-M 22 | EF-M 18-55 | 10-22 | 17-55 | 17-40L | 24-70L mk II | 24-105L | 70-200/2.8L IS mk II| 35L | 85L II |35/2 | 40/2.8 pancake | 50/1.8 | 50/1.4 | 100/2 | Rokinon 14/2.8 | 90 EX | 270 EX II | 580 EXII | 600 EX-RT

  
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Sep 09, 2011 07:24 |  #37

kcbrown wrote in post #13072944 (external link)
I just looked at the price of that lens. Holy mother of ... ! :shock:

Not the lens I would have chosen in your situation.

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Don't panic. The 15-85 is quite good. If you don't like it, you can sell it on get back about 80% of your investment to try something else. To maximize the value of your lens if you choose to resell it, keep the original box and packaging as well as the warranty card. The warranties aren't transferable, but having the card shows the manufacture date and keeping it all shows a level of attention to detail that buyers like.

Decent lenses hold their value pretty well. You have bought a decent lens. On the other hand, you can barely give away some of the really cheap kit lenses like the Canon 18-55.


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Sep 09, 2011 07:57 |  #38

trailpixie wrote in post #13074765 (external link)
Don't panic. The 15-85 is quite good. If you don't like it, you can sell it on get back about 80% of your investment to try something else. To maximize the value of your lens if you choose to resell it, keep the original box and packaging as well as the warranty card. The warranties aren't transferable, but having the card shows the manufacture date and keeping it all shows a level of attention to detail that buyers like.

Decent lenses hold their value pretty well. You have bought a decent lens. On the other hand, you can barely give away some of the really cheap kit lenses like the Canon 18-55.

Yeah, but just the 20% loss on the 15-85 is enough to buy you the 18-55...


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Sep 09, 2011 17:31 as a reply to  @ kcbrown's post |  #39

Just got my camera and lens delivered. The camera feels a lot more substantial than the T3i, I wouldn't say it's heavy but just has a more solid feel to it. I'm really liking the way it feels in my hands so far.

As far as the lens (canon 15-85mm) goes its definitely a lot heavier and sturdier feeling than I anticipated. I'm comparing it to the 15-55mm kit lens that comes with the T3i.

I'll mess around with the lens and decide whether to return it or not, but given the reviews and comments on the forum seems like it should be a great lens that I'll keep for a long time.

So my set up for right now is the 60D, 15-85mm, 55-250mm and 50 f/1.8.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.


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Sep 09, 2011 18:45 |  #40

FIGJAM wrote in post #13077486 (external link)
Just got my camera and lens delivered. The camera feels a lot more substantial than the T3i, I wouldn't say it's heavy but just has a more solid feel to it. I'm really liking the way it feels in my hands so far.

As far as the lens (canon 15-85mm) goes its definitely a lot heavier and sturdier feeling than I anticipated. I'm comparing it to the 15-55mm kit lens that comes with the T3i.

I'll mess around with the lens and decide whether to return it or not, but given the reviews and comments on the forum seems like it should be a great lens that I'll keep for a long time.

So my set up for right now is the 60D, 15-85mm, 55-250mm and 50 f/1.8.

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions.

Excellent!

Despite the misgivings I outlined previously, you should find the 15-85 to be a very versatile lens in good light (and the 60D does high ISO well enough that it will probably work reasonably well indoors, too). The only thing is that you won't have quite the subject isolation capability that you'd get from a faster lens. It's all about tradeoffs.

The 15-85 is very sharp, though, so it's a really good match for the high resolution sensor on your 60D.


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Sep 09, 2011 19:37 |  #41

My opinion is that there is no such a thing as a walkaround lens - one lens which would make quality photos of say 90% of all possible situations. If you say opt for a super-zoom (like 18-200), you loose control over DoF, miss a lot of shots because of lack of light, and end up using your new fancy camera at may be 20% of its quality. I believe one should think instead of good walkaround lens combos - taking into consideration total weight, among other things. My trio of lenses is pretty light, can fit nicely in my slingshot bag, cover all FL I need, are fast, and provide IQ on par with best lenses.


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Sep 09, 2011 20:44 as a reply to  @ pulsar123's post |  #42

Right choice, OP.
50 1.8 good toy, but if you don't have flash, save money for it instead.


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Sep 09, 2011 20:45 |  #43

18-135 is great. Get that for starters.


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Sep 09, 2011 21:41 |  #44

My 60D came with an 18-200 lens. But I put the lens on my Xti, and put my 24-105 on my 60D. It rarely comes off.


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Sep 09, 2011 21:44 |  #45

18-135m is a behemoth in size and it's heavy. Awkward to shoot with except in the rare cases you need the 135m telephoto. I'm going to sell my 18-135 behemoth on ebay for $275 and get a 18-55 m kit lens for about $105.




  
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