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Sep 11, 2011 03:35 |  #16

danny819 wrote in post #13083713 (external link)
I wish I shoot for a living. I am a full time college student and just want to capture memorable moments :D

Well in that case save your money, get a 60D and a 15-85 + a sigma 30 and 50 1.4, and you're all set. You don't need a 5DII or a 7D to just capture memorable moments, the 60D has the same IQ as the 7D, and the 5DII should be a bit too expensive for a full time student ;)


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Sep 11, 2011 03:50 |  #17

I was really considering the 60D through the Canon Loyalty Program. It should come out to be $700 after tax and trading in an old point and shoot.


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Sep 11, 2011 08:37 |  #18

Sirrith wrote in post #13083682 (external link)
A* for reading comprehension :confused:

I would find 24mm on a 7D way too restrictive, so I'd pick the 5DII + 24-105 any day over the 7D + 24-70.

But if you need better AF and a faster lens, and don't use wide angle much, then there's no reason not to get the 7D + 24-70, so you have to see what you shoot personally.

he left the 5d ii in his sig so i thought he still had another one. i can indeed read.


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Sep 11, 2011 08:58 |  #19

JimmyDude911 wrote in post #13084237 (external link)
he left the 5d ii in his sig so i thought he still had another one. i can indeed read.

No worries, I just like to take the mickey sometimes ;)


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Sep 11, 2011 10:08 |  #20

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No worries, I just like to take the mickey sometimes ;)

we all like to stir up trouble every now and again haha


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Sep 11, 2011 10:19 |  #21

Another vote for 5D2 / 24-105 kit. Personally I like the longer range and I've got new found love for my 70-200 with my new 5D2.


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Sep 11, 2011 11:17 |  #22

Get the 5dmk2 with 24-70L. The bokeh is much creamier with the 24-70L. If you dont think its long enough buy a gem like the inexpensive 85 f/1.8.

f/4 is a serious limitation if your a person that is use to using fast primes. Even if the 5dmk2 handles noise much better than the 7D the f/4 aperture is still slow when you shoot high iso's to get faster shutter speeds. Mind you f/2.8 isn't drastically faster either.

I will have to say I can lug my 24-70L on my 5dmk2 with no flash and use it as an amazing point and shoots using ISO 5000 during the day in low lit indoor areas. Of coarse I like using primes for indoors but I will experiment with my gear to see what I can get away with in all types of light.

I am considering on buying a 24-105L one of these days but for a good light walk around lens.


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Sep 11, 2011 11:21 |  #23

Get a 60D... or even a 50D. Then get a few decent but relatively affordable prime lenses for those times you really want or need the bokeh, and an inexpensive walkaround zoom to leave on the camera most of the time when you're not particularly concerned about bokeh. Best value in a walkaround lens if bought in a kit would probably be the 18-135 IS. If bought separately, a better deal might be 28-135 IS.

An alternative might be to get a 5D classic, if you prefer to stick with full frame.

There are a bunch of possible primes you could choose: Canon 28/1.8, Sigma 30/1.4, Canon or Sigma 50/1.4, Tamron 60/2.0, Canon 85/1.8 or Sigma 85/1.4, Canon 100/2.0 or 135/2L. You'll find it more difficult to find a fast prime that's equiv. to the 35mm on crop. Maybe Sigma 20/1.8. Canon 20/2.8 is a fine lens, but "only" f2.8. Pick your favorite one or two or three and get those focal lengths.


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Sep 11, 2011 11:44 |  #24

I vote for 5d2 with 24-70 and a non L prime like 85 or 50. The 50 and 85 can do 90% of what the L primes can without the bulk and even though the 24-70 is heavy it's closer to prime quality. IMO coming from such high quality lenses will make it a let down going to 24-105.


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Sep 11, 2011 13:30 |  #25

Poor student + broke whore + to capture memorable moments = 60D refurbish (with 20% off) + 50mm f/1.4.
My believe is that when you go primes you don't go (back)to zooms... Ooops, i hope i don't start a war ... ;D
Anyway, you can do 1 lens 1 body until you can afford more and stop reading the lens section in this forum... ;-)a


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Sep 11, 2011 14:01 |  #26

jjcharity wrote in post #13083189 (external link)
5Dmk2 + 24-105 no contest at all.

+10

I had both bodies, sold the 7D

24-105 plus a fast prime that you would use the most.


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Sep 11, 2011 14:19 |  #27

danny819 wrote in post #13083073 (external link)
A 5DII with a 24-70L might be too short if this will be my only lens. Therefore, I am debating between:

5DII with 24-105L or
7D with 24-70L

What do you guys think? I would definitely appreciate some feedback from people! How would the bokeh from the 5DII/24-105L combo compare to the 7D/24-70L combo?

I think you may find the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L to be too wide on a 7D for smaller focal lengths. The 24mm is really 38.4mm when that lens is on a 7D. If you want the range on the 7D to include "wide," you might want to consider the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS. This would give you an effective focal length range of 27.2 - 88mm, with the constant f/2.8 aperture, plus IS to boot. The EF-S lens has somewhat more differential focal length range than the EF lens, and it covers more useful focal lengths for a 7D body than the EF would on that same body. It's imaging is really superb, on a par with the EF lens, it's basically a "L" lens like the 24-70 for 1.6x FoVCF cameras, but without the price tag and weight.

The primary downside to EF-S vs EF L-series is that this particular EF-S lens is not as robustly built (lacking a metal barrel), nor is it as weather-sealed. At the same time, this EF-S lens is relatively well-made, it's not "cheap" to the feel, everything is smooth to operate. I do think with some care, these are not serious issues compared to ability to hand-hold with lighter equipment, unless your application really does include foul weather. Also, I have personally found L-series lenses to not be as robust as they are said to be, several of mine have become damaged under circumstances that would been no worse than if a strong plastic lens had similarly been involved.

You'd also mentioned the EF 24-105 f/4L. This would seem to indicate that the very fastest aperture is less of an issue for your application? If so, I can also really recommend the EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens for the 7D. It has enormous range, 24-136mm equivalent. The aperture is variable, but it's slightly faster than the EF 24-105 f/4L over much of the range, with seriously good optics. Definitely a full-stop slower at the telephoto end by comparison compared wit the EF 24-105 f/4L. And again, metal barrel versus hard plastic barrel, but still well-made.

I faced some similar choices as you, and really seriously investigated the lense options for some of my older 1D- camera gear (a 1D Mk III, 1Ds Mk II). My conclusions were that there was so much more flexibility and lens coverage for the 1.6x system with the 7D camera, that it made tremendous sense to re-invest. I was not often working in rain or sleet (for which I would use a 1D body), and given the strong attention to weather sealing that the 7D got, it all "came into focus" (sorry a pun ...) to use EF-S and 7D as a really robust flexible system.

On the option to use EF-S lenses, I was responding to what I understood your desire to be for compositional freedom -- sure hope I grokked that right. Otherwise, your main dilemma appears to be over full-frame versus not?

To resolve that perhaps more scientifically, I can offer the suggestion of what I did in the same situation -- take a look at your EXIF data from years past work. Do you see some trends in the most-often used focal lengths? In my case, I found that that EF lenses simply could not get single-lens coverage for the working distances and studio situations I would regularly encounter ... whereas EF-S did. So that phenomena is what led me to reinvestigate the 1.6 FoVCF system -- and of course the 7D camera is amazingly feature-filled.

Whatever you decide, wish you much luck in your photography!


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Sep 11, 2011 14:21 |  #28

Do you do any video? If not I'm going to throw you a curveball.

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Only reason I recommend Sony in your case is the IBIS and metamerism. If you want Canon and don't do video look at the 1DsII. If you want a smaller camera a Nex or 60D could be ideal.


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Sep 11, 2011 14:35 |  #29

danny819 wrote in post #13083073 (external link)
Hey everybody!

5DII with 24-105L or
7D with 24-70L

What do you guys think? I would definitely appreciate some feedback from people! How would the bokeh from the 5DII/24-105L combo compare to the 7D/24-70L combo?

From that group I would choose the 24-70 plus 5D2.
Actually I would substitute a 1DS2 for the 5D2.


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Sep 11, 2011 14:38 |  #30

You should be less concerned about missing shots and get what you had.
35mm, 85mm and 135mm is the perfect combination. Missing shots is not making you a bad photog, nor should you be worried about it. Just switch lenses when you go out the door. Take your 35, another time you'll slap the 85 or 135 on. Primes are so much more fun to shoot with if you ask me, so just go with it. Missing shots should be worth it if you ask me.


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