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Sep 16, 2011 10:07 |  #16

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If you are making a living printing selling images (or simply have the money to spare) the 5D2 will be the right tool for you.

It would not be my living, but I'd like to see some extra income.

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Sep 16, 2011 10:10 |  #17

5D2 is your better option here.


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Sep 16, 2011 10:13 |  #18

So back to my question of what is lacking? The T2i can capture the detail provided you put a good lens on it, so again, it comes to glass in this situation. I would try out a Tokina 11-16mm with that camera in those situations personally. I don't have experience with the 12-24, maybe it can do the job as well.

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Sep 16, 2011 10:31 |  #19

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So back to my question of what is lacking? The T2i can capture the detail provided you put a good lens on it, so again, it comes to glass in this situation. I would try out a Tokina 11-16mm with that camera in those situations personally. I don't have experience with the 12-24, maybe it can do the job as well.

Example of the detail the Tok can pull:

Had just put my Tokina 12-24mm on Craigslist day before yesterday with that exact Tokina 11-16mm in mind. And the 11-16 could make a difference in the more shady areas. Although, I could see myself owning both Tokinas in a couple of years.

Can't say that 18 megapixels is lacking for most folks, but for me, the 5D's extra 3 megapixels seem useful, including the design for how those 18 vs. 21 megapixels are achieved.

Should mention if I didn't, that I would keep the T2i anyway. Right now, a Canon SX10 point and shoot is my spare (good little unit too). So if I go to a 5D, then the T2i becomes my spare.

In a nutshell, I guess what I'm thinking is that the forest I want to shoot is so GRAND, that even a 5% or 10% gain in quality or quantity of image would be worth a camera upgrade. And if the lenses alone could close the gap between a T2i and a 5D, then I may as well skip a 5D or 7D.

To a large degree, it's hard to judge from other professional's redwood photos, because when most are enlarged, they don't looks as good as the smaller view, whether a Rebel, 7D or 5D. But I think the best I've seen were from the 5D, except that those were the Giant Sequoia where it's a bit more open outdoors. Yet the subject as trunks is pretty similar.


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Sep 16, 2011 10:35 |  #20

OP has Tokina 12-24, which is fine. Yes, 11-16 is a faster f2.8 lens, but narrower range of focal lengths, and a higher price too. Shooting mostly static subjects, especially on a tripod and stopping down for max depth of field anyway, f2.8 is wasted.

And, OP's 18MP T2i would be fine in many situations. It's the same sensor and image quality as T3i, 60D and 7D, so you'd see no improvement at all from those.

For really large prints and max possible quality, among Canon cameras the 5DII would be better. It would give you more fine detail in those really large prints. You'd have to step up to medium format such as Hasselblad or Leaf/Mamiya to do much better, currently.

A used 5D classic is considerably cheaper and a good camera, but isn't going to give you the resolution you're getting with the T2i now. Hard to say if large prints would improve much or at all. I'd try to get 5DII, if at all possible.

Yes, lenses are the other big factor. OP's lenses aren't bad, by any means. But there might be room for improvement a little at a time. This might be an ideal use for tilt shift lenses, for example.

If you switch to full frame 5DII, the only lens you have that's technically incompatible is the Tokina 12-24. I can tell you it's usable on the 5DII, though in a limited way. It won't start vignetting until about 18 or 19mm wide. However, you'll likely want to replace it with a wider, full frame lens eventually... such as 17-40 or 16-35. Actually, I use 20/2.8 and am happy with that.

You might explore some other techniques, such as stitching together some panoramas (vertical is possible, too), and/or or HDR. Flash might be an interesting effect in some cases, but I'd use it sparingly... it won't look natural in the woods. Do you have a circular polarizer? That can really help saturate the greens of foliage, especially on overcast day.


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Sep 16, 2011 10:36 |  #21

Having had both the 7D and 5D2, I would have no reservations shooting the T2i with great glass in the situations you are most actively shooting. That extra resolution might come in handy in minor cases where you want to crop slightly for framing/composition.

The 5D2 will give you added DR (useful for forest shoots with potentially high contrasting areas), a sharper image (due to the weaker AA filter), and 1 stop better ISO handling. Those are the 3 largest advantages over the T2i. The rest of the differences can be handled via glass and post processing, IMO.


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Sep 16, 2011 10:41 |  #22

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OP has Tokina 12-24, which is fine. Yes, 11-16 is a faster f2.8 lens, but narrower range of focal lengths, and a higher price too. Shooting mostly static subjects, especially on a tripod and stopping down for max depth of field anyway, f2.8 is wasted.

I have to disagree. With such a wide angle, shooting at f2.8 or f4 is an advantage, especially in a forest setting. The DOF is so large, you now have the ability to reduce your ISO at that point. I would personally shoot at f4 to f5.6 with the Tok in this situation, purely to put the lens into its sweet spot.

f4 on a T2i at 15mm yields a hyperfocal distance of 4' with infinity behind that point, for example. The same might be true of the 12-24 too though.


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Sep 16, 2011 10:43 |  #23

The increased MP will make no difference at all. FF should give you more dynamic range though and that could be a big plus for you - esp. in those forest shots that you posted here.




  
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Sep 16, 2011 10:55 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #24

I get my T2i / 550D after my 5D2. As T2i is small and lighter, and easy to carry alone for travelling.

T2i + 24L II:

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Sep 16, 2011 10:56 |  #25

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I have to disagree. With such a wide angle, shooting at f2.8 or f4 is an advantage, especially in a forest setting. The DOF is so large, you now have the ability to reduce your ISO at that point. I would personally shoot at f4 to f5.6 with the Tok in this situation, purely to put the lens into its sweet spot.

f4 on a T2i at 15mm yields a hyperfocal distance of 4' with infinity behind that point, for example. The same might be true of the 12-24 too though.

Definitely keep sharing the opinions on the lenses.

Here's on shot hand-held from my T2i using the Tokina 12-24: ISO 1600, 1/40 sec, f/4.5 and 12mm. It was very shady under this Douglas fir. 2nd tallest in the world actually, and will probably be the world's tallest in just a few years. Keep this sort for utility, the quality sucks on this one.

Since a cliff-like hill was just a few feet behind me, 12mm was about the only way to go. I tried one shot with a flash but it really ruined the mood.

But from what I understand, getting the 5D mk ii means getting an entirely separate Ultra Wide for it, whereas either Tokina would be for the T2i.


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Sep 16, 2011 11:04 |  #26

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I get my T2i / 550D after my 5D2. As T2i is small and lighter, and easy to carry alone for travelling.

T2i + 24L II: .... ....

The limitation is not the camera, but our skill.

Happy shooting :)

So getting the T2i "after", does that mean you replaced your 5D2, or do you have both?

If you have both, what do you like using your 5D2 for?

How do you feel about the non-swivel LCD by the way?

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Sep 16, 2011 11:09 |  #27

I have / still have my 400D -> 5D2 -> T2i, 3 bodies :)
I'm using them all time.

I usual put my 5D2 and T2i with one of my Prime lenses for weekends' shooting.
During travel, I use my 5D2 & T2i with my zoom lenses, so I don't need to change lenses.

T2i does great portrait, too. I don't unload family photos and I can't show you, sorry.


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Sep 16, 2011 11:21 |  #28

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I have / still have my 400D -> 5D2 -> T2i, 3 bodies :)
I'm using them all time.

I usual put my 5D2 and T2i with one of my Prime lenses for weekends' shooting.
During travel, I use my 5D2 & T2i with my zoom lenses, so I don't need to change lenses.

T2i does great portrait, too. I don't unload family photos and I can't show you, sorry.

Suppose you could go back in time before purchasing both models, and bring your memory back in time too, what would you do, supposing money was not a big factor ...

1. Buy 2 x Canon T2i models

2. Buy 1 x Canon T2i and 1 x 5D2

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Sep 16, 2011 11:27 |  #29

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Definitely keep sharing the opinions on the lenses.

Here's on shot hand-held from my T2i using the Tokina 12-24: ISO 1600, 1/40 sec, f/4.5 and 12mm. It was very shady under this Douglas fir. 2nd tallest in the world actually, and will probably be the world's tallest in just a few years. Keep this sort for utility, the quality sucks on this one.

Since a cliff-like hill was just a few feet behind me, 12mm was about the only way to go. I tried one shot with a flash but it really ruined the mood.

But from what I understand, getting the 5D mk ii means getting an entirely separate Ultra Wide for it, whereas either Tokina would be for the T2i.

Going to the 5D2 means you will be getting a 17-40L, 16-35L, or the Sigma 12-24 (widest you can go on a FF I believe), there aren't alot of options around really wide angles on FF. You could look at the old lenses too like the 17-35L or 20-35L.

I think based on those samples, the Tokina will be sharper. The distortion may be roughly the same on the edges, but alot of what you see there is due to distance between you and the subjects.

The nice thing about the Tokina is you can buy it, try it, and if no improvement, sell it for no loss. Also, the Tok works on the APS-H 1D series too.


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Sep 16, 2011 11:28 |  #30

5D2 + T2i will do.
No point to get two of the same model unless I'm one of wedding photographers using as back up.
As I have 5D2 already, I don't want to carry another heavy body such 7D or 50D / 60D. T2i naturally is the best option for me. Money wasn't a major factor for not pick the 7D or 60D.


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