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POLL: "Are you interested in a rumored FF "entry level" camera from Canon?"
FF in a Rebel sized body, please.
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FF in the 5D or 60D sized body, but with more basic specs (maybe lesser movie mode and lower megapixels)
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I am only interested if the new FF was mirrorless
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Not interested in a starter FF. Just waiting for the 5Diii
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Rumor "low end" FF Canon camera?

 
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Sep 17, 2011 22:20 |  #16

You forgot one option:

Not interested in a starter FF, OR the 5D Mk III...bring on the cream of the crop, the big enchilada, the piece de resistance, the mother lode...THE 1Ds Mk IV!!!!!


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Sep 17, 2011 22:33 |  #17

Daniel Browning wrote in post #13120105 (external link)
In some ways, the 5D2 already has the minimal features of a typical Rebel. Same FPS, same AF, same weather sealing. Which additional corners would you like them to cut? Remove the built-in flash? Oh, wait... ;)

Did I say it didn't already have typical Rebel features?

However as far as I'm concerned they can get rid of the scene modes (but that wouldn't effect costs), give it 1fps, and a smaller/crappier LCD. I'd even be happy enough if it didn't have a mirror or viewfinder. ;)




  
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Sep 18, 2011 00:58 |  #18

I agree 5d Mark II is a FF rebel, x-sync speed, AF, shutter lag, view finder blackout, FPS are all below par. It doesn't make any sense to release a 6d unless it is just a re-badged 5d.




  
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Sep 18, 2011 02:15 |  #19

This reminds me of a thread / poll I started last September.
https://photography-on-the.net …6554&highlight=​full+frame

I would still like to see an entry level FF. I do think there is a market for it. Whether it would be worth it for Canon to tap into that market is another thing.

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Based on my poll the majority of serious voters (potential buyers?) thought it would be a good idea. So there is hope.


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Sep 18, 2011 02:24 |  #20

it mat if they increase the size of the 1D more than FF ....


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Sep 18, 2011 03:07 |  #21

Entry-level FF? I thought that was reserved for the 5Dc :D


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Sep 20, 2011 11:59 |  #22

Why wouldn't they just drop the price of the 5DII and keep producing it? Sell it at $1800, and introduce the new "FF 7D" at $2700. It'd save them gigantic bushels of money on R&D, and it'd sell like hotcakes. As someone said above, the 5D2 can't really get any simpler without regressing 4 or 5 years on the technology timeline. The only thing that would make sense for them to do is use a lower-MP sensor than the 5DII - and unless they feel like dumping a ton of money into designing a whole new sensor just for a "budget FF," their only real options would be the 5Dc or 1DsII sensors. But Then of course it probably would cost a lot to ramp production back up on those.


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Sep 20, 2011 12:43 |  #23

I would hope that the next FF sensor from Canon shows an improvement in Dynamic Range - that's the biggest item on my wishlist. For my landscape shots, I really don't need the 7Ds excellent focus system or even super high ISO, but getting better Dynamic Range would be a dream come true.




  
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Sep 20, 2011 12:45 as a reply to  @ cptrios's post |  #24

It's highly unlikely that we'll see a lower-end FF body from Canon at this point in time. If one were in the pipeline, Canon wouldn't have discontinued all but one of their non-telephoto consumer zooms...lenses that would have been perfect for that market. The 20-35, 24-85, 28-105 (plus the awful 28-X kit zooms), have all been dropped from the lineup in the past 3 years.

Without replacements for those, their only options would be the 28-135 and (gasp) L lenses. And of course primes, but lowish-end consumers unfortunately don't often consider them.


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Sep 20, 2011 13:03 |  #25

Leopold Stotch wrote in post #13133964 (external link)
It's highly unlikely that we'll see a lower-end FF body from Canon at this point in time. If one were in the pipeline, Canon wouldn't have discontinued all but one of their non-telephoto consumer zooms...lenses that would have been perfect for that market.

You might be mistaking "low end" for "cheap". A low end FF camera would still likely run close to $2000. $1500 would be a feat. And they still have the 17-40 and plenty of FF telephotos. And there's no reason they couldn't sell it with the 28-135mm or come out with a new mid-range FF standard zoom to sell as a kit lens.


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Sep 20, 2011 13:25 |  #26

tkbslc wrote in post #13134077 (external link)
You might be mistaking "low end" for "cheap". A low end FF camera would still likely run close to $2000. $1500 would be a feat.

True, though $2000 isn't much below the current cost of a 5DII up here, which has been on sale at one retailer or another for $2199 since June. For anything to be considered lower end than a 5D it would have to be at least a few hundred below that.

I suppose if they released this body after a 5D III was announced, the lower end one could be a slightly crippled version of it, kinda like what Sony did with the a900 and a850.

Edit: 5D II is now sub $2000 (external link) pretty much everywhere here now, so releasing a cheaper FF body is obviously possible.


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Sep 20, 2011 13:47 |  #27

cptrios wrote in post #13133640 (external link)
Why wouldn't they just drop the price of the 5DII and keep producing it? Sell it at $1800

The real question will be can they do this. Sometimes producing old stuff costs more than a refresh of the hardware, obsolete parts and all.

The biggest cost in a FF is the sensor. So its hard to get costs down, add to that a 3 - 4 year old hardware (remember when it hits the shelves its already a year old in design).


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Sep 20, 2011 14:15 as a reply to  @ davidfig's post |  #28

They already have "entry level FF" line - it's called 5D.

There won't be a camera that is FF and cheaper I think. 5D itself might get slightly cheaper though. Original 5D price was higher than 5D2 after all ($3300 vs. $2700). But probably not 5D3, as $2700 is decent spot and dollar isn't that strong and people do want more features in 5D3, not smaller price.

What could've been interesting to see is different split - 16Mpix ultra-low-noise-highDR version and 28Mpix normal 5D2 successor. But it won't happen either, it'll be one way or another, and we know which one it'll be too.


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Sep 21, 2011 01:26 |  #29

They should just really make the 5Dc again, with live view, a better LCD and a builtin flash commander. Maybe a stop or two of high ISO improvement, but I don't need much else...
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Sep 21, 2011 01:42 |  #30

smaller sized FF-body would be dream come true, but in rebel category, thats too much even for day dreamer like me! :)




  
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