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Sep 23, 2011 06:26 |  #1

Hello there,

I've just sold my 70-200/2.8 and 35L to finance a new multi-purpose 70-200. I found the 2 copies of 70-200/2.8 (non IS) that I had really soft (I have a 135L in comparison).

During a short time, I had a f4IS that I loved. I really loved the f4s, much more than the f2.8 : softer, heavier.

I'm looking for a debate between f4 IS vs f2.8 IS mk2.

I will mainly shoot sports & portraits (indoor and outdoor). Today, I'm happy with 24-105 + 135 when having a walk-around.

Taking the 70-200 2.8 II won't be redondant with my other lenses (85LII + 135L) ? I don't wonder about the 85L wich is not in the same league with f1.2 (and mine is sharp at this f-stop) but much more about the 135L that have only one more f-stop. But it's sharpness is incredible. And I like it's format for some times : light, compact, discret.

My other zooms are f4 (17-40 + 24-105), the f2.8II looks like an intruder in this set up, no ? Otherwise, I could share a 77mm filter on 3 of them.

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Sep 23, 2011 06:28 |  #2

Portraits? Go for the f/2.8 II... When I got mine, I end up selling my 135L becaused the 70-200 II was sharper at 135mm at f/2.8 then the 135L was at f/2.8... It does not do f/2 however, which is amazing on that lens.

I feel the 85L and 70-200 II are not redondant at all. I use both and never feel one could replace the other. Very, very different types of lenses.

I have a very similar lineup (check signature) and they all compliment each other really well.


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Sep 23, 2011 06:35 |  #3

Fast reply, thanx !

Very similar line-up actually ! This help me thinking i'm on the right track.

My main use would certainly be sports (triathlon so : swin, bike & run - all outside) and a little bit portrait.

+1 on 85L. However, I found my 35L redundanct with 24-105L ! In low light, I performed better with high ISO + f4 + IS than f1.4. But that's just me.


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Sep 23, 2011 06:57 |  #4

I had F/4 IS, which I loved. I have now F/2.8 IS II, which I love too....
It is very-very heave compared to F/4 IS, but it adds a lot of value because of F/2.8.
How often do I use F/2.8? 80% of the time


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Sep 23, 2011 07:10 |  #5

Ferrari_Alex wrote in post #13150003 (external link)
How often do I use F/2.8? 80% of the time

More then 80%, I'm a bokeh lover.

The weight is not a problem ! And my wife wasn't annoyed with the 2.8 non IS weight as well !!! If she was, it could have been a problem because SHE is taking pictures of triathlon that I do ! In this case, I would have taken the f4IS.

Which one do you prefer : f4 IS or f2.8II ??


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Sep 23, 2011 07:12 |  #6

That extra stop of light is really nice to have...


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Sep 23, 2011 07:13 |  #7

I had both as well, and I prefer the 2.8 II... Sharpness wise, they are about the same. F/2.8 is really nice though and I use it most of the time.


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Sep 23, 2011 07:41 |  #8

All these threads have me foaming at the mouth waiting for mine. I haven't heard a reply for 3 days from the buyer on my 135L so i think I'm going to post it for sale tonight. I'm tired of waiting!!!


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Sep 23, 2011 07:57 |  #9

Why don't you give the 70-200 a try before selling your 135L ?


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Sep 23, 2011 08:04 |  #10

own the 85L, 7-2 4 IS, and 2.8 IS II, and had the 135L.
the 2.8 IS ii is optically fantastic. the IS is very useful and effective. the f4 is reserved of traveling, and when just want to go light. I preferred even the 2.8 IS version 1 over the 135L. it was plenty sharp at 135, Loved the zoom, and the IS.
If you are a prime shooter, or concerned about size, of course the 200 2.8L zoom is a fantastic option, but I would much rather have the zoom over the 2 primes.


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Sep 23, 2011 08:15 |  #11

Kevindar, what a collection !! All those are quite redondant. Different uses of course but I can't justify this as a hobbyist.

I just can't believe the 2.8mk2 is as good as the 135L. That is my main interrogation. My 135L is really amazing : sharp as hell, light, bokeh...
The 85L, no brainer, I can't sell it. I don't think f2.8+IS can replace it. The bokeh and sharpness @ f1.2 has no equal.
The 135L, in low light is limitative in my shootings. I think the 2.8mk2 with IS can easily replace it. I don't really want to replace it, so that's why I'm asking about the f4IS. Can I live with f4 or f2.8 instead of f2 ? I'm not a prime guy. I love them for bokeh but with my kids and shootings (sport), zooms are more versatile


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Sep 23, 2011 08:23 |  #12

Yeah, I am a bit of hoarder when it comes to lenses. Unfortunately my lens investment is doing far better than my house or 401K plan. they are all worth more than what I paid for them.
can you do with an f4 IS? absolutely. you can always bump up the iso one stop. indoors its a little more tricky of course, you can use your 85 1.2.
the 135L was just too long for me indoors, and b/c of lack of IS and long focal length, it never made a good low light lens for me. where the lens shines is as a small outdoors candid lens, or for indoors sports I supposed in medium light, where IS is useless, and the one stop of light makes a difference.
all properly functioning 70-200 lenses canon makes (all 5 of them) should be excellent at 135mm. however, in my 1 week of ownership of 135L, I took one of my favorite shots with it, on 5d at f2

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Sep 23, 2011 08:29 |  #13

Have you seen Kai's DR video debating the 3 70-200 Ls... F4 IS, 2.8, and 2.8 IS II...

may be helpful, he spoke highly of the Mk2 IS as being the best out of the 3, but $$$, size, etc, you know the rest...

good luck!


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Sep 23, 2011 09:11 |  #14

Sold my 135L after using 70-200mm f2.8 IS II for a week. For what I shoot, I like IS over one stop as I am using strobes. Even without strobes with 135L I had to shoot at 1/200-1/250 to get sharp shots. With 70-200mm f2.8 IS II, I can do at 1/30. So speed advantage of f2 lens for me is null. I can use the zoom at f2.8 200mm and make the bg totally disappear.

Now if we talking 200mm f2 IS I will take that over the f2.8 zoom.


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Sep 23, 2011 10:48 |  #15

I owned both and prefer the 70-200 F4 L IS to the MKII. The 2.8 of the MKII isn't worth the extra size and weight to me and I have primes of I need to past F/4.




  
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