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Sep 25, 2011 09:55 as a reply to  @ post 13159666 |  #16

Good luck with that one. You can try cloning background around the outer subjects, but that will be very difficult around such edges. Making the group a selection will help, so that you can clone around them without any effect on the actual group. Of course, if you are selecting the outer subjects anyway, you could just go the whole hog and select the whole group, cut them out, then place them on a clean background. Either way, you will need to be careful with the shadows to keep it looking real.

I have to ask, but why did you shoot it that way in the first place? It must have been pretty obvious that they were well off the background on both sides. As usual, the answer is to shoot it right and not just think "it doesn't matter, I can fix it in post later".

You could have unhooked the background roll and stood it on end at one side of the room, then run it across the whole width of the room. It is wide enough to still give enough height as a background. You would need to tear some off one end, to place on the floor of course. By curling up the back of the piece on the floor you would minimise the post work to just needing to blend out the join between the papers.

Or take a length and hang it vertically alongside the background stands you were using. Again you will have a join to clone out, it just comes down to which method is easier to hold the papers with.

Another method, if you couldn't do that with the background roll, would have been to take shots of the half the group at a time, so they would fit on the roll as it stands. Then simply take the two shots and combine them in post. You would need to select around the edges of the groups in order to layer one over the other slightly whilst keeping the background behind both, but it would be a much simpler job than you are left with now.

I know that such suggestions for shooting are too late for this shot, but may give you some thoughts for next time you have such a large group. It may be worth purchasing a large fabric background that can cover the extra width, whilst still giving enough for the floor, all in one piece. That would save any messing about both in setting up the shot and in post processing.




  
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Sep 25, 2011 10:13 |  #17

Well it's true the best way is to get it right in camera. No question there. I just didn't have the time and didn't know how many were coming over. It was my sons home coming dance and this his group of buddies. So I offered to take some pics. I had like 10 minutes as they were headed out. So aside from all my short comings with the capture I appreciate the input. Is there a YouTube tutorial or something that shows really good selection techniques? Or any other sources?

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Sep 25, 2011 10:27 |  #18

R1200GS wrote in post #13157579 (external link)
How can I extent the background for this pic?

It will take some work, mostly masking. Duplicate the Background Layer of the girls and add a reveal all mask. Place the shot of the clean backdrop below the duplicate. I'd use a Curves adjustment layer to get the backdrop layer to match the original. Just get it close, it will have to be fine tuned with a dodge/burn layer. Add a new layer filled with 50% grey above the Curves. Click on the mask and paint black to hide the garage. You can use any of the selection tools you're comfortable with as well to get the mask into shape. Once you have the garage masked out, then go to the dodge/burn layer and add shadows back and blend in the differences in the backdrop.

Attached is a very quick effort on the masking and shadow blending (both of which are very rough), but will give you an ideal.


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Sep 25, 2011 11:44 |  #19

Wow. Fantastic. Right now I'm on my iTouch. When I get to my computer I'll take a closer look at what you did. Hope you don't mind if I ask you for more help.


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Sep 25, 2011 11:57 |  #20

R1200GS wrote in post #13160179 (external link)
Wow. Fantastic. Right now I'm on my iTouch. When I get to my computer I'll take a closer look at what you did. Hope you don't mind if I ask you for more help.

Feel free to ask anytime. I didn't spend much time at all on the selection and it shows, but should give you an ideal on what can be done. More time = much better.


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Sep 25, 2011 17:13 |  #21

Yes great job on such a quick effort.


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Sep 26, 2011 06:03 |  #22

Apollo.11 wrote in post #13161338 (external link)
Yes great job on such a quick effort.


No kidding. Just starting to mess with it. Looks like I'm gonna really have to work on my selection skills.


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Sep 26, 2011 10:08 |  #23

Next time, make sure there's white behind all subjects, at least behind the head (hair). Even if it's just a spare reflection screen or something like some white letter sized paper… Now you'll have a hell of a time masking it, and it probably won't look as good in the end...


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Sep 26, 2011 21:10 |  #24

René Damkot wrote in post #13164941 (external link)
Next time, make sure there's white behind all subjects, at least behind the head (hair). Even if it's just a spare reflection screen or something like some white letter sized paper… Now you'll have a hell of a time masking it, and it probably won't look as good in the end...

That's a good idea. I would have never thought of that.


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