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Sony's A77 Is The New King of APS-C DSLRs

 
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Sep 26, 2011 19:59 |  #1

This is the title for Popular Photography's new test review article on the Sony A77

http://www.popphoto.co​m …-a77-new-king-aps-c-dslrs (external link)

Hopefully Canon will answer with the 7DM2 soon




  
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Sep 26, 2011 21:01 |  #2

I'm sure canon are desprate to compete against the mighty sony. :rolleyes:


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Sep 27, 2011 05:42 |  #3

There's been a lot of great reviews on the A77 which has convinced me to sell all my Canon gear and switch over to Sony, I cant wait to get my hands on the A77 mid October :)

Got nothing against Canon apart from there ridiculous prices of there new MKII Telephoto lenses which has put them right out the reach of the general public serious amateurs like me. Anyway I have sort of scaled my photography down so was a good time to sell my glass which I had no problem selling and getting good prices.


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Sep 27, 2011 05:49 |  #4

RobDickinson wrote in post #13167886 (external link)
I'm sure canon are desprate to compete against the mighty sony. :rolleyes:

Eh, this sounds like a tiny bit misplaced sarcasm. Sony has quite a decent system, and their lenses do actually compete quite well. Not to mention a few Zeiss options that AF.
The only thing I'd hate is the different flash shoe, that would annoy me to no end when getting radiotriggers. Still, can be converted.


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Sep 27, 2011 08:31 |  #5

Although it seems like Sony upped their game with the A77, it still stinks of being a Sony camera: a bunch of great headline features, marred by cost cutting. The article says that in the 12fps mode, the lens won't stop down, but it shouldn't be a bad thing because sports shooters use maximum aperture to get better shutter speeds; however, a 13 shot maximum on the buffer? That won't cut it for a sports photographer...

It still seems like Sony is aiming for two things: headlines to get noticed, and a camera for Mr. and Mrs. America. They have done both very well.


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Sep 27, 2011 10:39 |  #6

Just don't fiddle with that iso button..

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Sep 27, 2011 11:12 |  #7

bjyoder wrote in post #13170526 (external link)
; however, a 13 shot maximum on the buffer? That won't cut it for a sports photographer...

Yes I agree, my mkiii gave up on 20 raw but recovered pretty quickly. Seems that a very fast SDHC or Memory Stick Pro card should improve how quick the buffer recovers on the A77 bye what users have been saying.


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Sep 27, 2011 11:25 |  #8

I've been dazzled by my Sony performance and by the legacy glass. So affordable. I cringe when I see their weird Nex problems but then I recall some Canon banding and black shadows by highlights and weirdness. So each has their problems.

I switched from Canon about last spring time. By no means a dedicated fanboy either way.


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Sep 27, 2011 12:41 |  #9

I hope Sony does succeed in their mission to be a 3rd major player. The competition would be beneficial to those of us in the other camps. Just having Canon and Nikon play see-saw gets a bit stale and slows innovation.


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Sep 28, 2011 13:00 |  #10

If I were just getting into a higher end APC camera right now, the specs, reviews, and Sony name...I would be buying this camera instead of the 7D.

Not saying it's a better camera, and I'm not about to trade in my 7D, 5DII, and all my EF glass, but if Sony were to be able to keep outpacing canon in the specs...we all know that Sony can market better than Canon and Nikon, so the big boys better watch out.

Another note: I shoot RAW 85% of the time(all my serious work), but for family stuff etc. I have a NEX-5, I'll tell you the auto HDR feature is nice to have at times, as well as the Panoramic shot mode...it's a gimmic but the family loves it. "Peeking" is a cool unique feature for using my grandfathers old lenses and makes those easier to use than on my 5D. IBIS for their DLSR's. They are also doing a good job with their LCD's.

I gotta say...These electronics companies that are getting into photography space more are doing a good job of thinking bigger or outside the box. (Sony and Samsung with I-Function lenses). I really want Canon to step up their game, competition is supposed to breed innovation, too bad historically its the small players that are the most innovative and can most easily bring along the disruptive technologies. While the big fish just try to protect their ponds.

If Canon and Nikon are truly thinking about designing their mirror-less systems around the fact that they don't want to cannibalize their other sales(looks like exactly what Nikon did) looks like they are going to be in big trouble.

There was an article recently about Apple, and how they tried to design the best product for the customers...not just make the products that will make them the most money, and funny how even when they cannibalized their own products the money has come along behind the new "great" product. I AM NOT AN APPLE FANBOY!!! But...you have to admit, there is a ring of truth to it.

Hopefully Canon has some big plans, and they have our "best products" in mind, if not I have a feeling many people will be switching and the recent trend of mirror-less sales will start to reflect market shares as a whole.




  
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Sep 28, 2011 14:29 |  #11

Probably already linked somewhere but here's dpreview's studio comparisons.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …92610sonyslta77​studio.asp (external link)

Is it me or does the A77 look to be the worst of the lot? Sure, it's got 24mp but... wow, it's noisier in jpg, and looking at the RAW comparisons, you can see the amount of NR they needed to apply.

I mean it's no surprise that shoehorning more pixels will have a negative impact but... yeah...


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Sep 28, 2011 14:37 |  #12

First post linking to a positive review for a competitors camera. Hmmmm.

I've been keeping an eye on Sony for a while and they are doing great things.It's now Canon, Nikon AND Sony. The next few years will be very interesting.


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Sep 28, 2011 14:41 |  #13

jwcdds wrote in post #13177508 (external link)
Is it me or does the A77 look to be the worst of the lot? Sure, it's got 24mp but... wow, it's noisier in jpg, and looking at the RAW comparisons, you can see the amount of NR they needed to apply.

Here's another image from the A77 which has been converted through Capture One 6.3, it's one of Dpreview's samples. I think it actually looks pretty good.

http://www.pbase.com …/image/13843377​5/original (external link)




  
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Sep 28, 2011 16:25 |  #14

i could care less about the A77 and NEX-7 simply because thats way to many pixels for a sensor that size. i want clean images over massive pictures, if i wanted that many pixels id buy a 5dmkii, if i wanted high fps id buy a 7d, this camera is just trying to do to much.

if they would have taken the sensor from the nex-5n and put it in a pro mirrorless body, id be on that thing faster then flies on poop.




  
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Sep 28, 2011 16:37 |  #15

bentlax33 wrote in post #13177038 (external link)
Not saying it's a better camera, and I'm not about to trade in my 7D, 5DII, and all my EF glass, but if Sony were to be able to keep outpacing canon in the specs...we all know that Sony can market better than Canon and Nikon, so the big boys better watch out.

And that's about all Sony has, is a good, headline-grabbing spec sheet. It's kinda like the Nikon D7000 vs. Canon 60D: the Nikon definitely grabs the headlines, but I've seen a number of reviews claiming that, in practice, the Canon is the better camera (with IQ being generally equivilent, probably leaning to the Nikon).

So it is with the A77. Sure, it can do 12 frames per second, but it can't do it for more than a second, and it can't give you meaningful DOF from a high-end lens if you want it. The IQ is suspect; not that it's bad, but there are lots of conflicting views out there (it is amazing to see 24MP on APS-C looking as good as it does. Remember when it was rediculous to have 21MP on a FF camera?).

I think what Sony has is a great, (very) high end, "Mr. and Mrs. America" camera. A camera for those who want to brag that they have the fastest camera. A camera for those who don't care a whole lot about the ins and outs of photography. That definitely described the A55, and, even though the A77 is more photography oriented than the 55, it still isn't "there."

I'm definitely in the camp of being excited that Sony is pushing, however. Canon and Nikon are going to have to try and come up with something to grab some headlines back, or the consumer market (i.e. the money-making segment) will definitely take a hit, and we, the photographers/enthusia​sts will get hit because of less R&D money.


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