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Sep 30, 2011 21:03 |  #16

Mike K wrote in post #13189385 (external link)
I think you will be very happy with the Zeiss ZE lenses and the Canon 5DII.

The Zeiss lenses with the best image quality reputations are:
Distagon 21/2.8 ZE
Distagon 35/2 ZE
50/2.0 Makro Planar ZE
100/2.0 Makro Planar ZE

the other Zeiss are a step below those above for IQ.
the Canon lenses on par with the best Zeiss IQ level are 17 TSE/4 L and 24 TSE/3.5 II. Those two are really quite good, and being Tilt/Shift will open new capabilities.
I have owned/used most of the Canon L's suggested by others in this thread and much prefer the Zeiss rendering.

The Canon 5DII is a good choice for these Manual Focus lenses. You should consider the Eg-S focusing screen, its inexpensive enough to try. The biggest difference is getting used to Manual Focus using Live View 5-10X. Its like using a loupe on the back of large format ground glass; you can quickly move the magnification rectangle about with the joystick. this is certainly the way to to tilt/focus adjustments. Also enable Live View Silent Shooting as it uses electronic first curtain and is better than MLU for lack of vibration.
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I myself am just discovering the Zeiss lenses, and really falling in love with MF. I feel just a bit more involved in the process.

Mike K, do you have any thoughts or opinions on the 35 2.0 compared to the 35 1.4? I just got the 50MP, and fell in love. Now I want to find a new home for my 35L, and bring home either the 2.0 or 1.4. More looking for IQ difference and sharpness.


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Sep 30, 2011 21:55 |  #17

BrentBoshart wrote in post #13188691 (external link)
How do you like the 35-70? I have read great things about it. Do you have automatic aperture with it on the Canon?

It's manual aperture. The C/y adapter can have focus confirmation though with a programmable chip.

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It's pretty special. Amazingly sharp as well.

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Sep 30, 2011 21:57 |  #18

Mike K wrote in post #13189385 (external link)
I think you will be very happy with the Zeiss ZE lenses and the Canon 5DII.

The Zeiss lenses with the best image quality reputations are:
Distagon 21/2.8 ZE
Distagon 35/2 ZE
50/2.0 Makro Planar ZE
100/2.0 Makro Planar ZE

the other Zeiss are a step below those above for IQ.
the Canon lenses on par with the best Zeiss IQ level are 17 TSE/4 L and 24 TSE/3.5 II. Those two are really quite good, and being Tilt/Shift will open new capabilities.
I have owned/used most of the Canon L's suggested by others in this thread and much prefer the Zeiss rendering.

The Canon 5DII is a good choice for these Manual Focus lenses. You should consider the Eg-S focusing screen, its inexpensive enough to try. The biggest difference is getting used to Manual Focus using Live View 5-10X. Its like using a loupe on the back of large format ground glass; you can quickly move the magnification rectangle about with the joystick. this is certainly the way to to tilt/focus adjustments. Also enable Live View Silent Shooting as it uses electronic first curtain and is better than MLU for lack of vibration.
Mike K

The New 35/1.4 is pretty killer too.
The Zeiss 50/1.4 is better for taking pictures at distance, than the makro, IMO.
The Zeiss 85/1.4 is a 'portrait lens' and is exceptional as a landscape lens stopped down.

I don't really like the 28 focal length and I've not had a converted 25 to play with. So, I won't comment on them.


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Sep 30, 2011 22:13 |  #19

jakeg1999 wrote in post #13189581 (external link)
I myself am just discovering the Zeiss lenses, and really falling in love with MF. I feel just a bit more involved in the process.

Mike K, do you have any thoughts or opinions on the 35 2.0 compared to the 35 1.4? I just got the 50MP, and fell in love. Now I want to find a new home for my 35L, and bring home either the 2.0 or 1.4. More looking for IQ difference and sharpness.

to quote someone on another forum:

The f1.4 obviously goes a stop wider and the falloff from sharp to out of focus areas is probably even more graceful and dramatic, which for me is perhaps the greatest draw of this lens. It gives an impression of huge depth and perspective. The detail across the whole image is dramatic and lateral CA is very low indeed. Wide open there is some spherical abberation that reduces contrast in some images and lends a very slight haze. However, there is an underlying detail and sharpness that is impressive in the centre of the image. The look of images taken at f1.4 is amazing and personally I love the natural vignette. Stopped down even to f2 most of the RSA disappears and it juts gets more contrasty from there, becoming bitingly so. As a bonus I find it quite easy to focus accurately, even at f1.4 and there is no problematic focus shift (very tiny bit at f2.8) so the focal plane is where you expect it to be. It is a very solid and dense piece of kit, which won't make a good travel or carry about lens and its hugely more expensive than the f2.
The f2 perhaps has slightly more contrast at f2 (no more detail though) and I think the f1.4 gets better faster in the corners. The f2 has more lateral CA. It is much smaller and lighter. If you don't need or desperately want what the f1.4 offers I would stick with the f2. I would have both if I could afford it! If you shoot at f1.4 or f2 a lot and love the bokeh of the f1.4 its probably worth it, but if you shoot stopped down go cheaper and smaller. I was amazed at the movie quality my bro got using the f2 with his 5d.

I've not handled the new 1.4. The image post on Fred Miranda shows that's it's a winner. Both lenses are great. The 2 is better on the muscles and wallet!


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Sep 30, 2011 22:54 |  #20

plasticmotif wrote in post #13189787 (external link)
to quote someone on another forum:


I've not handled the new 1.4. The image post on Fred Miranda shows that's it's a winner. Both lenses are great. The 2 is better on the muscles and wallet!

Yeah the 2 might be the way for me to go, but I don't want to always wonder what the 1.4 is like:). With my 35L, I actually shot a few more at f2 than f1.4 anyway....


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Oct 01, 2011 00:13 |  #21

jakeg1999 wrote in post #13189581 (external link)
Mike K, do you have any thoughts or opinions on the 35 2.0 compared to the 35 1.4? I just got the 50MP, and fell in love. Now I want to find a new home for my 35L, and bring home either the 2.0 or 1.4. More looking for IQ difference and sharpness.

There aren't that many published reviews of the Zeiss 35/1.4
http://www.lenstip.com …ZE_ZF.2_Introdu​ction.html (external link)

and one in diglloyd.com which is a paid subscription. If you are thinking about a Zeiss line up I would get the subscription. Lloyd Chambers is a very technical oriented reviewer.

http://www.friendcomme​nded.com/showreplies.p​hp?qid=819 (external link)

It sounds as though the main improvement over the 35/2.0 would be smoother bokeh.
I haven't tried it.
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Oct 31, 2011 17:39 as a reply to  @ Mike K's post |  #22

In regards to my original post, I decided to move ahead. I replaced my 30D with a 60D and my Canon F/2.8 100mm macro with the Zeiss 100MP F2.0 ZE.

Interested in primarily landscape and working with a tripod, I was not convinced that there was significant difference between the 60D and 5DMkII at low iso settings. But more important to me, I did not want to give up my 17-55 F/2.8 EFS lens so decided on the crop sensor again.

I had some early disappointment with Zeiss ZE, surprised by the amount of LoCA. As I have used it more, I have come to see that it is rarely an issue in real-life shooting. Enamored again at how Zeiss glass renders colors and the micro-contrast. Comparing shots with the Zeiss and my Canon lenses I am less attached now to the 17-55 F/2.8 EFS. Dreaming of the Zeiss 21mm now, I am having some buyer's remorse with the 60D. I think you need FF to fully appreciate the 21mm. Oh well, maybe both the 60D and 5DMKII some day.


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Oct 31, 2011 17:48 as a reply to  @ BrentBoshart's post |  #23

To explain my early concern with the 100MP, this was my very first shot with it (in the parking lot, in my car) and was stunned to see purple fringing on the LCD preview!(see steel buckle) Very concerned..

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The subsequent images like this one, it becomes non-issue

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Oct 31, 2011 18:01 |  #24

I started with a Minolta SRT-101, moved to a Canon F-1 and a Yashica Mat-124G medium format -- I still have the Canon F-1 and pull it out occassionally and shoot a roll to remind me why I like the modern autofocus, superior metering, E-TTL flashes, etc. But when I put that wonderfully bright split screen/prism ring focus screen viewfinder up to my eye using my simple FD 50mm f1.4 lens, it brings back memories and I can STILL achieve fine pictures -- film is still an amazing medium despite the numerous inconviences -- and it forces you to think, compose, and use care before you shoot. I encourage you to keep us abreast of your journey.




  
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Oct 31, 2011 19:27 |  #25

BrentBoshart wrote in post #13334341 (external link)
To explain my early concern with the 100MP, this was my very first shot with it (in the parking lot, in my car) and was stunned to see purple fringing on the LCD preview!(see steel buckle) Very concerned..

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The subsequent images like this one, it becomes non-issue


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You'd be hard pressed to not get purple fringing there with anything other than a true APO lens.


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Oct 31, 2011 23:30 |  #26

[QUOTE=BrentBoshart;13​334341]To explain my early concern with the 100MP, this was my very first shot with it (in the parking lot, in my car) and was stunned to see purple fringing on the LCD preview!(see steel buckle) Very concerned..

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Focus with Live View and you can minimize the fringing.

Purchase Nikkor MF lenses and you can save a bundle on Zeiss glass. This was taken with a Nikkor QC 200 f4 on Canon XSI with an old Sears Polarizer. There was fringing on the water droplet evident in Live View but with a little fine tuning of focus it was removed.

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