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Oct 02, 2011 00:14 |  #1

So, long-story-short, I'm an unemployed..,trying to be self-employed photographer and I've returned to school full time to obtain my bachelors. So, very now and then I troll around Craigslist trying to find photography gigs. I found one where a lady was looking for a tog that has all of their on gear and lights etc...but she provides all of the props (it's "vintage" school portraits) the costumes, classic tricycle, old books, a bench, feathered boa's, flower headbands and hats for the girls, newsboy hats for the boys, airplanes, baseballs and mits, and tons more...an suv full of props and clothing...etc, etc.

Well, she wants to pay $3 per kid. She expects at least 4 different poses incorporating the props in every photo.

I've worked a few times for her now and her "system" is beyond inexplicable and there really is no process. After working my ass of and, much like weddings, shot straight for 6 hours with no bathroom break, nothing to eat or drink, on my knees the entire time...my knees are literally bruised, bloodied and the skin worn off to the point I have this gaping, oozing hole where a knee skin should be!

At the end of this past two days I did the math and because of how inefficient the process is, we we're supposed to photograph about 90 kids and ended up only shooting maybe 55 kids. Like, 25 one day and about 30 the next day...so, I will have earned $150 for 12 hours of work and sweat and blood and risking my own gear, use my own batteries, use my own CF cards...etc.

Sigh...am I a sucker or is this really how this is supposed to work?


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Oct 02, 2011 00:23 |  #2

It sounds like she needs to stick a camera on a short tripod and teach one of the kids to push the shutter button on command.




  
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Oct 02, 2011 00:38 |  #3

mike_d wrote in post #13193503 (external link)
It sounds like she needs to stick a camera on a short tripod and teach one of the kids to push the shutter button on command.

Hahahahahaha! Great idea!


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Oct 02, 2011 09:57 |  #4

Inqe wrote in post #13193485 (external link)
Sigh...am I a sucker or is this really how this is supposed to work?

Sorry, it's likely the former, unless you're going to go hungry next week without that $150.

Charge an hourly rate that makes it worth your time and skill and equipment. If she wants lots of posing and props and stuff, it'll take more time and she'll pay more. If she wants inexpensive, she's going to have to hustle the kids through real quick-like.


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Oct 02, 2011 10:06 |  #5

Well, she wants to pay $3 per kid. She expects at least 4 different poses incorporating the props in every photo.

Geez! I charged $2 for a B&W print of one pose 46 years ago. Inflation would kick that up to about $15 today.
Just because she wanted to pay $3 per kid, doesn't mean that you shouldn't have tried to negotiate a higher price, or maybe asked for the rights to sell additional prints for the grandparents, etc?


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Oct 02, 2011 11:14 |  #6

You can try to negotiate a better deal for yourself but honestly, if that's all she's willing to pay and you say no thanks, she'll likely be able to find someone who will say yes. And that is the problem...




  
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Oct 02, 2011 11:36 |  #7

hawkeye63 wrote in post #13194693 (external link)
You can try to negotiate a better deal for yourself but honestly, if that's all she's willing to pay and you say no thanks, she'll likely be able to find someone who will say yes. And that is the problem...

Yeppers! You're right and that's pretty much what happened. I tried to explain and offer up some really simple ideas that would speed up the process and make it more efficient so it wouldn't be so disorganized, messy and physically destructive. She told me that she wasn't going to change anything and that we aren't a good fit for one another and should just part ways.

Hahahahahha. Ok!


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Oct 02, 2011 11:49 |  #8

Inqe wrote in post #13194777 (external link)
Yeppers! You're right and that's pretty much what happened. I tried to explain and offer up some really simple ideas that would speed up the process and make it more efficient so it wouldn't be so disorganized, messy and physically destructive. She told me that she wasn't going to change anything and that we aren't a good fit for one another and should just part ways.

Hahahahahha. Ok!

I have a (non-photography) service business and some people are just more trouble than they're worth. Its funny how as I raised my rates over the years, I would up getting rid of people who complained about my cheaper rates and replaced them with people who were more than happy to pay the higher one.




  
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Oct 03, 2011 08:38 |  #9

Inqe wrote in post #13193485 (external link)
Well, she wants to pay $3 per kid. She expects at least 4 different poses incorporating the props in every photo.

At the end of this past two days I did the math and because of how inefficient the process is, we we're supposed to photograph about 90 kids and ended up only shooting maybe 55 kids. Like, 25 one day and about 30 the next day...so, I will have earned $150 for 12 hours of work and sweat and blood and risking my own gear, use my own batteries, use my own CF cards...etc.

Sigh...am I a sucker or is this really how this is supposed to work?

Two questions...

Did you have something better (income-wise, since you are unemployed) to do those two days? Even at only $150 for 12 hours you made significantly more than a minimum wage job would have paid.

Who is selling the prints to parents, you or her? If it's you, then your final income hasn't been determined yet. If it's her then...




  
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Oct 03, 2011 09:12 |  #10
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Is it better to be unemployed with no money, or employed with $150.00?

Sure, it's miles from being an ideal situation, but the alternative to not shooting for her is to be still unemployed.

Try to make the process more efficient. Show her how you can make it better, and then show her how much more money she can be making by letting you put your process in place. Then hit her with the idea of paying you more. If she says yes, cool. If she says no, you can either continue with the inefficient process or walk. If you walk, she'll likely realize how much more she made with you being there and agree to paying you more...


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Oct 03, 2011 10:05 |  #11

Why would you even consider a job that pays so little?
Honestly, I wouldn't even get out of bed for that amount of money.

Just walk away and let some other idiot waste their time.
And try to find your gigs somewhere other than CL. That place is by definition, the bottom of the barrel. Both the services wanted, and those being offered.




  
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Oct 03, 2011 10:09 |  #12

quiksquirrel wrote in post #13198472 (external link)
Why would you even consider a job that pays so little?
Honestly, I wouldn't even get out of bed for that amount of money.

Really easy to say when the fridge is full and rent is paid.


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tkbslc wrote in post #13198487 (external link)
Really easy to say when the fridge is full and rent is paid.

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Oct 03, 2011 13:29 as a reply to  @ BreitlingFan's post |  #14

I think several posters have already hit the nail on the head - how important is the $150 to you? If it means the difference between paying the bills and not paying the bills (or eating and not eating), then I'd swallow my pride and take the job. If the money isn't that important, then I'd pass on busting my butt that hard for 150 bucks. That sum of money means a lot to some people, but is a pittance to others. It's all about your personal perspective.


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Oct 03, 2011 13:31 |  #15

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I think several posters have already hit the nail on the head - how important is the $150 to you? If it means the difference between paying the bills and not paying the bills (or eating and not eating), then I'd swallow my pride and take the job. If the money isn't that important, then I'd pass on busting my butt that hard for 150 bucks. That sum of money means a lot to some people, but is a pittance to others. It's all about your personal perspective.

+1... I have been in both positions.


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