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$3/head for preschool/daycare photography?

 
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Oct 03, 2011 15:37 |  #16

tkbslc wrote in post #13198487 (external link)
Really easy to say when the fridge is full and rent is paid.

True to some extend.

But had this been a thread about some random dude on CL, advertising portraits for $3 a pop, everyone would have been all over it, saying how guys like that, **** up the business for the rest of us.

Double standards are fun aren't they :rolleyes:




  
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Oct 03, 2011 16:40 |  #17

Inqe, I'm looking at your website. There's room for improvement, but you're worth more than $3 a pop.


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Oct 03, 2011 16:41 |  #18

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Two questions...

Did you have something better (income-wise, since you are unemployed) to do those two days? Even at only $150 for 12 hours you made significantly more than a minimum wage job would have paid.

Who is selling the prints to parents, you or her? If it's you, then your final income hasn't been determined yet. If it's her then...

No, I didn't have anything really better. That's why I took the job. You have a very good point for sure! I am, by no means, turning my nose up at earning a $1! I really just wondered what the industry standard was for this kind of thing as I feel like I'm getting "fleeced" per se. Mostly because she "sold" me on the job by stating I'd make about $200-$300 per shoot. But, it turns out, this has only happened once and the conditions were ideal. She also said I would only have to "show up and shoot". So far, it's been MUCH more than just shooting.

I know...I completely realize where you're going. As I said, I am just exploring whether or not this is a good situation or would I be better off doing something else.

Oh and she does the selling. She won't disclose how much she sells...I've asked.


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Oct 03, 2011 17:08 |  #19

Inqe wrote in post #13200445 (external link)
No, I didn't have anything really better. That's why I took the job. You have a very good point for sure! I am, by no means, turning my nose up at earning a $1! I really just wondered what the industry standard was for this kind of thing as I feel like I'm getting "fleeced" per se. Mostly because she "sold" me on the job by stating I'd make about $200-$300 per shoot. But, it turns out, this has only happened once and the conditions were ideal. She also said I would only have to "show up and shoot". So far, it's been MUCH more than just shooting.

I know...I completely realize where you're going. As I said, I am just exploring whether or not this is a good situation or would I be better off doing something else.

Oh and she does the selling. She won't disclose how much she sells...I've asked.

I'd recommend that you insist that she either provide the memory media or provide a computer that you can copy the files to and make her figure out how to do any post-processing. Get paid for the shoot and scram unless you can work another deal to get paid to actually make the images presentable.


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Oct 03, 2011 20:32 |  #20

Try to get an order form from the school to see what she charges. The work on taking away the account from her. After all, YOU are the photographer, not her. It's YOUR images the parents like, not hers.


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Oct 03, 2011 20:38 |  #21

Inqe wrote in post #13200445 (external link)
Oh and she does the selling. She won't disclose how much she sells...I've asked.

Copyright on the images is yours. Did you sign a release that gave her permission to sell your work? ;)




  
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Oct 03, 2011 20:56 |  #22

Sounds like you're being pimped out, you know she's making a HUGE profit from your work.



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Oct 03, 2011 20:58 |  #23

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Sounds like you're being pimped out, you know she's making a HUGE profit from your work.

Real HUGE


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Oct 03, 2011 22:02 |  #24

Our preschool charged a whopping $15 for the print package, so I am sure it's a real goldmine on both ends.


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Oct 03, 2011 23:14 |  #25

Nathan wrote in post #13200434 (external link)
Inqe, I'm looking at your website. There's room for improvement, but you're worth more than $3 a pop.

Well....thanks! That's one of the reasons I took the job...I'm hoping to improve while getting paid. I want to be a better child photographer and thought it was a great opportunity. But, I think I'd be better off at the portrait shack at Target or wal-mart...GASP!


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Oct 03, 2011 23:18 |  #26

GrendelKhan wrote in post #13201440 (external link)
Copyright on the images is yours. Did you sign a release that gave her permission to sell your work? ;)

OH SNAP! I sure didn't! Not that she's had the sense to get any information from me! There's no formal hiring packet. No W2 thing to fill out...nothing was signed anywhere!


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Oct 03, 2011 23:21 |  #27

quiksquirrel wrote in post #13200127 (external link)
True to some extend.

But had this been a thread about some random dude on CL, advertising portraits for $3 a pop, everyone would have been all over it, saying how guys like that, **** up the business for the rest of us.

Double standards are fun aren't they :rolleyes:

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Oct 03, 2011 23:26 |  #28

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So, long-story-short, I'm an unemployed..,trying to be self-employed photographer and I've returned to school full time to obtain my bachelors. So, very now and then I troll around Craigslist trying to find photography gigs. I found one where a lady was looking for a tog that has all of their on gear and lights etc...but she provides all of the props (it's "vintage" school portraits) the costumes, classic tricycle, old books, a bench, feathered boa's, flower headbands and hats for the girls, newsboy hats for the boys, airplanes, baseballs and mits, and tons more...an suv full of props and clothing...etc, etc.

Well, she wants to pay $3 per kid. She expects at least 4 different poses incorporating the props in every photo.

I've worked a few times for her now and her "system" is beyond inexplicable and there really is no process. After working my ass of and, much like weddings, shot straight for 6 hours with no bathroom break, nothing to eat or drink, on my knees the entire time...my knees are literally bruised, bloodied and the skin worn off to the point I have this gaping, oozing hole where a knee skin should be!

At the end of this past two days I did the math and because of how inefficient the process is, we we're supposed to photograph about 90 kids and ended up only shooting maybe 55 kids. Like, 25 one day and about 30 the next day...so, I will have earned $150 for 12 hours of work and sweat and blood and risking my own gear, use my own batteries, use my own CF cards...etc.

Sigh...am I a sucker or is this really how this is supposed to work?


Talk about slave wages! I wouldn't do a single pose per kid shoot with only a background and no props for $3/kid!

As mentioned earlier, unless you're desperate for that little bit of money for the amount of hard work you're doing, I'd take a walk.




  
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Oct 03, 2011 23:35 |  #29

You gave up the images and she gets to make all the print sells - WOW.'
Can't you cry copyright infringement or something?


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Oct 04, 2011 00:33 |  #30

Well, of course if she is providing the clients as well as props, transportation and such, it's certainly fair and reasonable to only pay you a "cut", although after spending two days earning barely $10 per hour, now would be a good time to enter a new round of negotiations! You are providing the camera gear as well as the lighting -- in other words without someone well-equipped she'd be nowhere, which to me says you have something to negotiate with!


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