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Do people generally consider 50L overpriced?

 
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Oct 12, 2011 14:42 |  #31

FastCougar wrote in post #13237095 (external link)
You also need to consider the crop vs ff factor that makes the 50L on a 1.6x crop rig essentially an 85L with faster focusing at a steep discount ;-)a

mm-wise yes, it's 85mm, but DOF - no, quite opposite. You get wider DOF of 50 itself (compared to 85) plus it's additionally widened by being crop.

Or in other words, DOF: 85mm on FF< 50mm on FF < 50mm on Crop, therefore:

DOF 85mm on FF << DOF 50mm (virtual 85mm) on Crop


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Oct 12, 2011 14:56 |  #32

bomzai wrote in post #13241244 (external link)
mm-wise yes, it's 85mm, but DOF - no, quite opposite. You get wider DOF of 50 itself (compared to 85) plus it's additionally widened by being crop.

Or in other words, DOF: 85mm on FF< 50mm on FF < 50mm on Crop, therefore:

DOF 85mm on FF << DOF 50mm (virtual 85mm) on Crop

It's not widened by being a crop. It is wider only because it's a 50, not a 85. (You're counting the same thing in twice) It's wider because it's the same as if you would have made 1.6x as many steps back and then discarded the outer part of the image.


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Oct 12, 2011 15:27 |  #33

JonK wrote in post #13237194 (external link)
Not even close

close enough to justify the extra $$ for the FF camera + price difference of the 85L? For example (all prices from B&H as of this posting date/time - rounded to nearest dollar):

$1,505 = 7D body only
$1,549 = Canon 50mm 1.2 L
$3,054 = Total with roughly 80mm equivalent lens

$2,400 = 5D Mark II body only
$2,089 = Canon 85mm 1.2 L
$4,489 = Total

Price difference of $1,435 ... while not exactly the same with dealing with DoF and focusing speed, very similar images can be captured with the MUCH cheaper combination. Becomes even cheaper still if you make the 7D a 60D. So, question here is can that "Not even close" be justified by spending nearly $1,500 more? Sorry, but I'd put the difference toward another great L and live with the sacrifices. While not EXACTLY, the alternative gets you in the ballpark nicely and at a much lower price point ... that's the point I was trying to make.

Given the alternatives, I don't think the 50L overpriced. However, I think that at sub $400, the 50 1.4 is VERY nicely priced and a great bargain considering some of the examples of what it can produce that I have seen.


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Oct 12, 2011 17:31 |  #34

FastCougar wrote in post #13241453 (external link)
close enough to justify the extra $$ for the FF camera + price difference of the 85L? For example (all prices from B&H as of this posting date/time - rounded to nearest dollar):

$1,505 = 7D body only
$1,549 = Canon 50mm 1.2 L
$3,054 = Total with roughly 80mm equivalent lens

$2,400 = 5D Mark II body only
$2,089 = Canon 85mm 1.2 L
$4,489 = Total

Price difference of $1,435 ... while not exactly the same with dealing with DoF and focusing speed, very similar images can be captured with the MUCH cheaper combination. Becomes even cheaper still if you make the 7D a 60D. So, question here is can that "Not even close" be justified by spending nearly $1,500 more? Sorry, but I'd put the difference toward another great L and live with the sacrifices. While not EXACTLY, the alternative gets you in the ballpark nicely and at a much lower price point ... that's the point I was trying to make.

Given the alternatives, I don't think the 50L overpriced. However, I think that at sub $400, the 50 1.4 is VERY nicely priced and a great bargain considering some of the examples of what it can produce that I have seen.

The 85/1.8 has thinner DOF at 1.8 than the 50/1.2 at 1.2 on a crop. So you could choose that one instead of the /1.2/


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Oct 12, 2011 17:53 |  #35

Calvin im noticing you lurking round the prime lens pages recently, like myself. Are you by any chance weighing up the canon vs sigma 85s? have you considered a siggy 50 by any chance? I have the canon 50 1.4 and LOVE it from f 2.5 on but the quality of 1.4 images is hit and miss with me. I can see this as the best justification for the price of the 50L, the 50 1.4 isn't special at 1.4 for my taste. From what i see the 50L is a king from 1.2-2.0, which in fairness, is where your gonna be using it. I'll post a sample of each, Happy hunting!


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Oct 12, 2011 21:07 |  #36

pekelnik wrote in post #13241990 (external link)
The 85/1.8 has thinner DOF at 1.8 than the 50/1.2 at 1.2 on a crop. So you could choose that one instead of the /1.2/

True, but glass is glass and let's be honest, us crop frame folks know that we will be trading up one day so why not get the glass that counts? :lol:


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Oct 12, 2011 23:36 |  #37

I personally think that the 85L II is more "overpriced" than the 50L.


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Oct 13, 2011 01:01 |  #38

PACO11 wrote in post #13242087 (external link)
Calvin im noticing you lurking round the prime lens pages recently, like myself. Are you by any chance weighing up the canon vs sigma 85s? have you considered a siggy 50 by any chance? I have the canon 50 1.4 and LOVE it from f 2.5 on but the quality of 1.4 images is hit and miss with me. I can see this as the best justification for the price of the 50L, the 50 1.4 isn't special at 1.4 for my taste. From what i see the 50L is a king from 1.2-2.0, which in fairness, is where your gonna be using it. I'll post a sample of each, Happy hunting!

Yeah I've been lurking around prime pages all the time. Well I had tried zooms but I find primes fit me better. I am not particularly interested in getting a 50L, cause I think 50mm isn't my preference. I like 35mm and 85mm, I am waiting to get a 35L.

However, 50mm is really versatile, it's so good for walk around... But the problem is I don't like to walk around with a big camera unless it was for a photographic assignment, but then if that's the case I would bring my "less versatile" lens for specific shots.
Right now I am going 35/85/135, but it could subject to change... 35/85/135 is expensive... I can probably go 50/135 and probably a 17-40 for cheaper.

I've been considering a sig 85, I want to get an actual copy and test it myself.


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Oct 13, 2011 14:03 |  #39

pekelnik wrote in post #13241317 (external link)
It's not widened by being a crop. It is wider only because it's a 50, not a 85. (You're counting the same thing in twice) It's wider because it's the same as if you would have made 1.6x as many steps back and then discarded the outer part of the image.

I don't get this. Are you arguing that 50mm on crop has same DOF as 50mm on FF? It's not, so I am not counting same thing twice, I am going from 85mm to 50 on FF (one time) and from 50 FF to 50 crop (second time) :) . On each step your DOF is wider.

I said: 85mm on FF< 50mm on FF < 50mm on Crop, which I still believe is true. But if I am missing something, let me know.


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Oct 13, 2011 14:11 |  #40

I don't think it's overpriced, if anything it's priced low.




  
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Oct 13, 2011 16:55 |  #41

bomzai wrote in post #13246317 (external link)
I don't get this. Are you arguing that 50mm on crop has same DOF as 50mm on FF? It's not, so I am not counting same thing twice, I am going from 85mm to 50 on FF (one time) and from 50 FF to 50 crop (second time) :) . On each step your DOF is wider.

I said: 85mm on FF< 50mm on FF < 50mm on Crop, which I still believe is true. But if I am missing something, let me know.

Crop simply discards the outer part of the image, there is no magic associated with it. The image is simply "cropped". Take a photo you took with FF and 50/1.2, crop it to only have the center in. That is exactly the same image (apart from pixel density) as you would have taken with a crop camera. I'm saying, that 50mm/X at Y meters has the same DOF on crop and FF. That's simply because it's the same lens!

Unless you are saying that you also move (with your feet), when going from 50 on FF to 50 on Crop. But in that case, you will get a completely different image as the 85 on FF.


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Oct 13, 2011 17:12 |  #42

rick_reno wrote in post #13246346 (external link)
I don't think it's overpriced, if anything it's priced low.

yeah, don't you just love the "bargain" L
pay a few more thousand $$ and get a super luxury L
then you have a half dozens lens and your gear bag is only $50,000




  
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Oct 13, 2011 17:28 |  #43

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Yeah I've been lurking around prime pages all the time. Well I had tried zooms but I find primes fit me better. I am not particularly interested in getting a 50L, cause I think 50mm isn't my preference. I like 35mm and 85mm, I am waiting to get a 35L.

However, 50mm is really versatile, it's so good for walk around... But the problem is I don't like to walk around with a big camera unless it was for a photographic assignment, but then if that's the case I would bring my "less versatile" lens for specific shots.
Right now I am going 35/85/135, but it could subject to change... 35/85/135 is expensive... I can probably go 50/135 and probably a 17-40 for cheaper.

I've been considering a sig 85, I want to get an actual copy and test it myself.

I tried the Sigma 85 in store. It was a great lens but it wasnt my focal length. I got hold of my 50L thinking I would just onsell it if I wasnt happy, now, there isnt a time where I regret dumping the cash, I dumped on to it.

I ended up with 24LII, 50L 135L and I am in love with all three.


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Oct 13, 2011 17:36 |  #44
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I think we can go on and on debating about 50L's price point. It may very well be cheap for some, and expensive for others.
It's a great lens, but for the range, one will see a greater difference with 85mm f/1.2 vs 50mm f/1.2 for the "wow factor".
I've been disappointed with 50mm range on Canon (due to past experiences of having tried every 50mm lens available) to the point of getting a nifty fifty and declaring it the best 50mm lens for a Canon dslr. :D


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Oct 13, 2011 18:01 |  #45

aboss3 wrote in post #13247337 (external link)
I've been disappointed with 50mm range on Canon (due to past experiences of having tried every 50mm lens available) to the point of getting a nifty fifty and declaring it the best 50mm lens for a Canon dslr. :D

whoa ... that's crazy
but for some odd reason it does produce nice pictures




  
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