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Oct 11, 2011 12:48 as a reply to  @ post 13235267 |  #16

IMO

24, 28 or 35mm don't give enough background seperatation for images to "pop" (portraits, general bokeh goodness)

85mm is far too long, giving a 136mm FOV

50mm wins - decent FOV for 'everyday photography' with more seperation/bokeh then the 35mm and below primes.




  
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Oct 11, 2011 12:50 |  #17

You don't necessarily need to spend the money for the L series. I'd rather have a selection of primes to work with, to have choices for use in different situations.

Personally for this sort of thing I usually use Canon 20/2.8, 28/1.8, 50/1.8 and 85/1.8 on my crop cameras. (I also use 135/2, but mostly on full frame.) These are all USM lenses, Canon's "mid grade" build quality. Still reasonably compact and not too heavy, so it's not a big deal to carry four of them around in my camera bag.

Depends upon what you want... how much you want to drop out the background, how much workng space you have. Longer lenses can blur things down more, as can larger apertures. Conversely, with wider lenses you have to be careful not to work too close when photographing people, a wide lens will give perspective and anamorphic distortions. Can't be helped, it's just the nature of optics, working distance, and wide angles to do so.

Yes, the Sigma 30, 50 & 85mm are all also quite good, too. They all are significantly larger and heavier than their closest Canon equivalents. The 85mm is f1.4, so 2/3 stop faster than the Canon 85/1.8, but is also more expensive. The 30mm is "crop only", while all the other lenses I've mentioined are usable on both full frame and crop. These Siggy lenses all have HSM, which is Sigma's version of USM.

If your budget is tight, the Canon 50/1.8 is a great deal for occasional use. And Canon 28/2.8 or 24/2.8 might serve as a wider budget lens. None of these lenses have USM, so AF will be a little slower, noisier and perhaps a little less consistently accurate. They are capable of good image quality though... The IQ differences between them and the more expensive mid-grade lenses (or even comparable L series) will be fairly subtle. For example, the 50/1.8 vs the 50/1.4 at almost 3X the cost, the mid-grade lens has better AF and build quality as noted.... IQ with the "better" lens will be seen as slightly more saturated colors and better contrast, a little more resistance to flare, somewhat nicer backgrond blur (due to more leaves in the aperture, to form a more nearly round opening).

Premium lenses such as 24/1.4L, 35/1.4L 50/1.2L and 85/1.2L take a step farther allowing for greater control over depth of field, plus really lovely background blurs, though they can be slower focusing (the 50mm and 85mm put the emphasis is on accuracy rather than speed, due to the shallow DOF potential) and are roughly 3X the cost of the mid-grade lenses, 8X or 9X the cost of an entry-level model. They are also a lot bigger and heavier.


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Oct 11, 2011 13:29 |  #18

belias1989 wrote in post #13233520 (external link)
Just what the title of the thread. I am planning on getting a fast prime for my 600D as my upgrade lens from my standard kit lens 18-55. I find the aperture of prime very useful for low light situations and freezing fast moving objects. I want to shoot gatherings and events. The long ones above the focal length of 135 is not on my list. Thanks.

For gatherings and events you are going to want the shorter FL. You really should try a siggy 30 and if it isn't up to your expectations sell it for what you paid and go plunk down for the 35L.

I have never shot with the 35L, is it as magical as it is said to be? Can one really see that great of difference in the siggy and the canon? I lurk in the lens archive but those folks are MUCH betters photogs than I.


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Oct 12, 2011 02:34 |  #19

davidc502 wrote in post #13234237 (external link)
For portraits, get the 50mm F/1.4 because it's nearly equivallent to the 80mm f/1.2 on a 35mm sensor (FF) which is desirable and expensive, but the secret is you didn't pay but 15% of what a 80mm f/1.2 cost retail, and you're still gonna get great shots.

Lovin my Nifty Fifty...

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Use the 85mm F1.2 on a FF. You'll be surprised how different it is from your 50mm F1.4..


If I would have an APS-C, the first prime I would get is the Sigma 30mm.


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Oct 12, 2011 02:54 |  #20

I have a Canon 50mm f/1.4 and I recommend it!




  
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Oct 12, 2011 14:05 as a reply to  @ jackhq's post |  #21

I like the 50's for a general prime- f/1.8 or 1.4

If I had the money though, a 24L II would be in my pocket. Can you say SHARP?!?!?!


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Oct 12, 2011 17:45 as a reply to  @ White.Lightning's post |  #22

The sigma 30mm takes great shots but it's MFD is around 3 ft, so you can never get a tight shot on someones face. It's aperture is noisy when adjusted, slow as he'll in live view (hunts). You can still get awesome shots with it however.

The 35 L is smooth fast and silent. MFD is under a foot. The ONLY draw backs are - expensive, bigger.


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Oct 12, 2011 17:49 |  #23

Another vote for the Sigma 30 f1.4, bang for your buck is pretty good with this lens and it is sharp as a tack, despite any other shortcomings. Back it up with a Canon 50 f1.4 and a Canon 85 f1.8. You then have a reasonably cost effective set that does not break the bank and will give you great images.


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Oct 12, 2011 18:15 |  #24

BIllionfps wrote in post #13242036 (external link)
The sigma 30mm takes great shots but it's MFD is around 3 ft.

The 35 L is smooth fast and silent. MFD is under a foot.

The sigma's MFD is 15.7", I don't know what system you use, but going by the imperial system that is just over 1 foot.

The 35L's MFD is 12", or exactly 1 foot.

Please get your facts straight before posting.


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Oct 12, 2011 18:28 |  #25

davidc502 wrote in post #13234237 (external link)
For portraits, get the 50mm F/1.4 because it's nearly equivallent to the 80mm f/1.2 on a 35mm sensor (FF) which is desirable and expensive, but the secret is you didn't pay but 15% of what a 80mm f/1.2 cost retail, and you're still gonna get great shots.

Lovin my Nifty Fifty...

Way off. 50mm f/1.4 on a crop is equivalent (in terms of FoV, DoF and light sensitivity) to 80mm f/2.2 on a FF. 85mm f1.2 on FF is in a completely different league.


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Oct 12, 2011 23:37 |  #26

Can someone post pictures taken from a sigma 30? I am intrigued with its performance. Kindly post photos if possibly with no PP. Thanks.




  
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Oct 12, 2011 23:42 |  #27

Probably the L primes. But for best bang for the buck, I would say either the 85 1.8, 50 1.8 or 1.4, or 135L.


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Oct 13, 2011 00:02 |  #28

i have used the 24 LmkII on my 7d many times . not one issue . sharp as a razor . love that lens .
focus is tack sharp on that lens .


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Oct 13, 2011 00:10 |  #29
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pulsar123 wrote in post #13242227 (external link)
Way off. 50mm f/1.4 on a crop is equivalent (in terms of FoV, DoF and light sensitivity) to 80mm f/2.2 on a FF. 85mm f1.2 on FF is in a completely different league.

+1

crop + 50 1.4 is nowhere near ff + 85 1.2. Not even remotely close.


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Oct 13, 2011 00:11 |  #30

davidc502 wrote in post #13234237 (external link)
For portraits, get the 50mm F/1.4 because it's nearly equivallent to the 80mm f/1.2 on a 35mm sensor (FF) which is desirable and expensive, but the secret is you didn't pay but 15% of what a 80mm f/1.2 cost retail, and you're still gonna get great shots.

Lovin my Nifty Fifty...

The 50 is a great lens, and still my favorite focal length - but a more realistic comparison is to the 85mm f/1.8. Lenses don't appear "faster" than they are on APS-C, but slower, since the area in focus is proportionally larger due to the frame cropping.

Edit: Eh, beaten to the punch a few times over...still, can't hurt to point it out again.

For what it's worth, you can get great depth of field effects with even a f/2.2 prime (55mm focal length Fujinon from the 70s-80s is the one I've tried).

One nice trick about APS-C - you lose depth of field, but since all your lenses are now magnified, background elements are thrown further from focus. If you can, just get the longest lens that is both decent, still somewhat fast, and affordable.




  
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