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Recommendations for a wide angle lens (esp. zoom lens) with wide aperture?

 
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Oct 12, 2011 19:53 |  #16

One big blur at 1/15 or 1/8th.


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Oct 13, 2011 01:53 |  #17

Yep, that's the risk, and would account for the high proportion of u/s shots. Sometimes, tho', you can get lucky . Without flash, it's about as difficult an environment as you could imagine - huge dynamic range with an intensely bright light system and deep shadow very often in the same shot


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Oct 13, 2011 02:26 |  #18

hello everyone im new to this and just had a couple questions....
1st off i film night clubs with a canon t2i and i use my 50 1.8
but i wanted to buy a new lens thats good in low light so about 1.4
and a lens that could get a full body view up close
EXAMPLE a person dancing




  
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Oct 13, 2011 02:28 |  #19

think 5D2 should have usable ISO above 1600 that OP used ?

as someone commented, stepping little back (if possible) might already fix the angle issue.

am also considering this lens, though would not use it in dark rock concerts. lighting must be nightmare :p




  
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Oct 13, 2011 02:33 |  #20

it is man !!!!
i was thinking the 35 1.4
and i keep my ISO below 1600 because it looks all grainy




  
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Oct 13, 2011 03:53 |  #21

jacoblopez wrote in post #13244156 (external link)
hello everyone im new to this and just had a couple questions....
1st off i film night clubs with a canon t2i and i use my 50 1.8
but i wanted to buy a new lens thats good in low light so about 1.4
and a lens that could get a full body view up close
EXAMPLE a person dancing

have used the 1.4 on a crop (didnt have FF then) running back & forward by orchestra pit during dress rehearsal of a show. Worked fine.


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Oct 13, 2011 04:03 as a reply to  @ hania's post |  #22

Take a look at Tamron 17-35 f2.8-4
It's affordable and I think it's decent.
I'm on the market for it to use it to shoot some landscape.


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Oct 13, 2011 06:35 |  #23

xhack wrote in post #13244094 (external link)
Yep, that's the risk, and would account for the high proportion of u/s shots. Sometimes, tho', you can get lucky . Without flash, it's about as difficult an environment as you could imagine - huge dynamic range with an intensely bright light system and deep shadow very often in the same shot

It is doable. When you need to get shots, getting lucky should be the last thing you are counting on. Sacrifice ISO for shutter speed.

This is bad a venue as there is in terms of the lighting. All the lighting was behind the stage (performers)

IMAGE: http://www.bwkphotography.com/Events/Montreal-Nuits-dAfrique-2011/Les-Espoirs-de-Coronthie/i-2zH7bR8/0/L/5DIIIMG2011-07-20-211900-0466-L.jpg

All the shots can be viewed here. I think the 24L was used for all of them.

http://www.bwkphotogra​phy.com …Coronthie/18154​417_fpdQrL (external link)

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Oct 15, 2011 16:14 |  #24

amfoto1 wrote in post #13238335 (external link)
The Sigma 12-24 you have is the widest non-fisheye lens made by anyone for full frame cameras. You simply won't find anything wider, anywhere, without going to a fisheye ( a 15mm f2.8 fisheye on 5DII will give 180 degree rectilinear angle of view... any wider and you'd be in the shot yourself).

I've been avoiding fisheye but I could reconsider. What are the best options for a fisheye lens with the 5D Mark II? Both Canon and Sigma's 15mm f/2.8 fisheye lenses are well-reviewed (Canon seems to be around $800, Sigma around $600), what might some other good candidates be (esp. with zoom)?

amfoto1 wrote in post #13238335 (external link)
Have you ever considered another approach... dial up your ISO to 12800 or 25600 and use some noiseware such as Nik DFine or Noise Ninja or similar?

I've considered it but would rather not sacrifice so much of the image's sharpness in exchange for noise reduction. I'd also rather not spend all the extra time on each picture making various adjustments with the noise removal filter; I don't know if this is true of all noise removal programs/plug-ins, but the two I've used in the past (trial versions) were fairly time consuming when added into the post-processing workflow.

bobbyz wrote in post #13241766 (external link)
Based on the pictures 9from the link) still don't get why you need 12mm. To me those pictures don't look like even 16mm on FF.

Well, many of them aren't. I used three lenses for that particular show; a Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6, a Canon 24-105mm f/4L and a Canon 50mm f/1.4. Here's a breakdown of the shots taken that night:

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I shot the second band mostly with my 50mm f/1.4 since they were staying in one place for the most part and were a little further away but overall I used the 12-24mm at 12mm more than anything else due to the (lack of) distance between the stage and myself.

bohdank wrote in post #13242324 (external link)
There are some @ 12mm. Based on the framing, distance, I would just get slightly further back, if possible.

jarski wrote in post #13244158 (external link)
as someone commented, stepping little back (if possible) might already fix the angle issue.

For this show it was unfortunately not possible. It was a sold-out show, the venue was packed and I was in the crowd squashed against the stage and couldn't have moved an inch backwards if my life depended on it. In fact at one point I was forced to turn sideways, lift my leg and half-kneel on the edge of the stage with one leg and half-stand in the crowd with my other just to get a teeny bit more breathing room -- I ended up losing my shoe in the process.

xhack wrote in post #13242524 (external link)
Further, at those focal lengths, you can fairly easily hand-hold down to 1/15 - even 1/8 if you're feeling brave. Go manual, pre-set, and expect a 50 per cent keeper rate . . .

This is what I did, and I ended up with probably 5 usable shots out of 30. Still, the noise was pretty terrible (ISO at 6400) and the images were quite dark so even though I managed to get a few non-flash photos without much blur, other aspects of the photos still suffered. At this particular show they didn't seem to be enforcing their policy of no flash after the first 3 songs so I put my flash back on and got away with using it for the rest of the night (as did the other photographers there) but if I hadn't been able to do that and had only been able to shoot sans flash I wouldn't have gotten much.



  
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