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Oct 18, 2011 09:31 |  #226

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #13266154 (external link)
i hope you are joking.

I am not. we shall see.


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Oct 18, 2011 10:14 |  #227

If higher pixel density improved detail, then the Canon SX40 should be the king.


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Oct 18, 2011 10:21 |  #228

kevindar wrote in post #13267185 (external link)
I am not. we shall see.

Well I doubt it as it makes no sense.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 10:25 |  #229

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If higher pixel density improved detail, then the Canon SX40 should be the king.

The SX40 might just be king, if when comparing to a dslr you are limited in FL with the dslr. Just check out some uses of the sx40 on the bird photo sharing section.


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Oct 18, 2011 10:27 |  #230

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #13267409 (external link)
Well I doubt it as it makes no sense.

Sure it does, he is basically saying that heavy cropping highly effects IQ.


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Oct 18, 2011 10:28 |  #231

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If that is the true press release, this body sounds like a beast.

I'm scared to see how much it will cost.



The EOS-1D X will cost around £5,299.99, though this has yet to be confirmed.

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Oct 18, 2011 10:36 |  #232

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Not really -- the 18-MP 7D sensor has a much finer pixel density than the ff 1Dx or the ff 1Ds3/5D2, meaning "more pixels on target", as long as the technique can properly resolve the lens resolution.

Where the 1DX gains is in Image Quality and high ISO performance, which means a lot to a lot of photogs...and, being able to get the high performane figures in as well...

just b/c it works in theory doesn't mean it does in real life. In real life the the 7d files are mushy and noisy.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 10:37 |  #233

mjHession wrote in post #13267436 (external link)
Sure it does, he is basically saying that heavy cropping highly effects IQ.

i don't think that is what he is saying at all.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 10:38 |  #234

tkbslc wrote in post #13267360 (external link)
If higher pixel density improved detail, then the Canon SX40 should be the king.

word.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 10:51 |  #235

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #13267482 (external link)
just b/c it works in theory doesn't mean it does in real life. In real life the the 7d files are mushy and noisy.

Depends which lenses you use it with.

The 7D is the harshest judge of lens imperfection out there. Use it with a less-than-super-sharp lens and you'll get mush. But the Canon superteles, the 70-200 Mk II and a few primes (and the Sigma 120-300 OS) are up to the job and give sharp, crisp images even on such a pixel-packed sensor. Which is perfect for wildlife photography.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 11:13 |  #236

Shadowblade wrote in post #13267563 (external link)
Depends which lenses you use it with.

The 7D is the harshest judge of lens imperfection out there. Use it with a less-than-super-sharp lens and you'll get mush. But the Canon superteles, the 70-200 Mk II and a few primes (and the Sigma 120-300 OS) are up to the job and give sharp, crisp images even on such a pixel-packed sensor. Which is perfect for wildlife photography.

Well if you look at my previous gear you will see I have owned great lenses with the 7d as well. Good lenses help but not enough for the pixel density of that cam. And for people to honestly think that canons new flagship will be bested by a 7d is just funny.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 11:21 |  #237

Meh, I'll pick one up in 10 years for $250.


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Oct 18, 2011 11:30 |  #238

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #13267664 (external link)
Well if you look at my previous gear you will see I have owned great lenses with the 7d as well. Good lenses help but not enough for the pixel density of that cam. And for people to honestly think that canons new flagship will be bested by a 7d is just funny.

If the subject you're shooting can cover the full frame of the 1Dx at a given focal length, then sure - it'll destroy the 7D quality-wise. But if you're shooting distant subjects that can cover the 7D's 1.6x crop sensor, or just the middle portion of the 1Dx (equivalent to the area of a 1.6x crop sensor), you can either get an 18MP image with the 7D, or crop the 1Dx image to the same area to get a 7MP image. Unless your lens' central portion is limited to resolving 7MP or less over the area of a 1.6x crop sensor, the 7D will out-resolve the 1Dx over the area that it covers.

Sure, you may be able to get a longer lens, but only up to a point. 160mm on a 1Dx will obviously be better than 100mm on a 7D (assuming equal lens quality - say, both focal lengths on a 70-200 Mk II), and both are practical. But when you're shooting a 500L, 600L or 800L with 1.4x TC and only covering a 1.6x crop area, it's not all that practical to get a longer lens, and you can't always get closer. This is where the 7D will, for practical purposes, outresolve the 1Dx. And, for anyone who shoots both full-frame and crop, it also tends to be the focal length range where the crop is used in preference to full-frame...

Also, note that I am talking about resolution only - not colour depth, not per-area noise (which will undoubtedly be better on the 1Dx, given that it's a newer sensor and has bigger photosites). Newer sensors tend to be better than older sensors in this regard, regardless of whether the sensor is on an xxxD- or 1D-series camera.

And, don't forget, the 7D is a two-year-old design - an updated version, using current-day sensor technology (but still with 18MP in a 1.6x crop sensor) should easily out-resolve the 1Dx over the area that it covers.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 11:57 |  #239

Ya I agree about the benefit of a crop sensor but that wasn't what I was disputing.




  
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Oct 18, 2011 12:02 |  #240

NaKiD EyE wrote in post #13267664 (external link)
Well if you look at my previous gear you will see I have owned great lenses with the 7d as well. Good lenses help but not enough for the pixel density of that cam. And for people to honestly think that canons new flagship will be bested by a 7d is just funny.

I agree that the idea of the 7D's image quality exceeding that of the 1DX is laughable, but that presumes, of course, that the target is filling the frame of each camera.

Good lenses help enormously with the pixel density of the 7D. There do exist some lenses that are able to provide sufficient resolving power to satisfy the 7D's pixel density, but they are relatively rare. Most lenses aren't quite that good.

Also, the RAW converter you use makes a big difference here. The 7D has a green channel imbalance that most RAW converters will deal with by averaging the green channels, causing a noticeable loss of detail. I believe DPP does this, for instance. Lightroom does not, except in areas that aren't carrying enough detail (e.g., out of focus areas). So if you were seeing softness even with the best of lenses, it might be due to the RAW converter you were using.


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