Help me choose (5dc or 5d2)

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #13267952
What's a 5Dc? I know of the 5D and the 5D2.

5Dc = classic = 5D

rick_reno wrote in post #13267998
get the 5d2, the sensor cleaning is worth the increase in price

I honestly only clean my 5D sensor maybe once every 3-4 months. Not a big deal. And I do change lenses quite a bit. If you shoot a lot at f/11 or f/16 maybe need to clean it more often. Wider than that and you need a serious booger to even see it on your images.

Scott

F00K33 wrote in post #13268020
i will get 5Dc + 17-40 + 85 1.8 + speedlite

that's a pretty nice kit.

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #13267952
What's a 5Dc? I know of the 5D and the 5D2.

5dc = 5d(classic)

rick_reno wrote in post #13267998
get the 5d2, the sensor cleaning is worth the increase in price

I have only cleaned my sensor once when I had 10d and that was long time ago. But then I don't shoot landscapes at f16 or something like that. And I will change lenses whenever I need to and I don't baby my stuff.

Ive been perfectly happy using my 5Dc while acquiring lenses. The screen isnt good for much - its even worse than the 40D, but I dont care about that.

Someday, Ill switch to a 5DII - likely when the 5D3 comes out. But, for now, Ill stick my money into lenses. IQ isnt much different between the two bodies especially if you dont go over ISO 800 and the extra MP are a moot point for me. Although, I do secretly desire to have live view once again...

If you are one camera one lens in terms of budget, use low pricing advantage of MK II and buy Tamron 28-75 2.8. Best full frame zoom in terms of IQ, price and warranty combination.

My 2 cents: Do yourself a favor, Get the 5D2 and a 50 1.4 with a 85 1.8 as soon as you can afford it
Very soon the 5D3 will show up and your 5Dc will feel even older (yes the 5Dc will take amazing pictures even after the 5D3 is announce) but the 5D2 is simply a nicer camera that will last and be effective for much longer .
Save for your 24-70 later or get a 28-75 from Tamron (you will use your primes more anyway)
Just My humble opinion

I prefer the out dated functionality of older dslr's less adjusting to worry about. I used to tweek hard in that micro adjusting when I had a 50d and yes the screen is nice but honestly you wont be able to truely judge a photo till you open it up on a monitor. 5d is a killer paired with good glass even mediocre glass. I like to keep the old goodies and only worry about shooting and let the gearheads worry about what's new and improved. Just my 2 cent.

If you need higher iso than 800, get the 5dii. I an shapely comfortable shooting at 1600 or even 3200. If you don't need that higher iso performance, then a classic is a great buy.

These responses are so great that my decision is even HARDER now! :O I've nailed it down to functionality and the fact that the 5d screen can only be used for composition is a real killer. I mean checking focus is really important to me. Are all the 5d screens bad or just really old ones? This 5d classic I might buy is a fairly new one, but I haven't seen it yet.

As for the Tamron 28-75 2.8, I had it on a 5d2 I used. I was not very fond of it, but back then I was a real noob photography wise. Looking back at the pictures I took with that lens I’m not really liking the contrast and color im getting. The 50mm 1.4 and 85 1.8 idea intrigues me though, I wasn’t much of a prime guy besides the 50mm, but I might just lean there. Ultimately, I want the 24-70 since almost all my shots are in that range.

My main question though, who has moved over to a 5d2 from the original 5d? Is the autofocus system really the same, is your iq really that much different? (Mostly concerned with the AF)

Btw that new 1D X… is just awesome

The focus system, although is similar to the original 5D, the 5d2 is better, with better faster processor.
Consider also this:
Better viewfinder
Better Info in the view finder
Better screen
Anti dust sensor vibration
Custom modes
Microadjust
More modern menu and better button layout
Video
Liveview
Much better High ISO Low light performance (big one here if the rest doesn't move you )
Ammong other minor and not so minor things to consider
Not bashing the 5Dc, simply, the 5D2 is better and more up to date body
If I were to buy one camera today would be the 5D2 (assuming I have the money), because I know i will regret not to in the future

This reading might help
http://photo.net …ent/canon/5D-mkII/review/

"The EOS 5D MkII inherits the basic AF hardware from the EOS 5D, though Canon states that AF processing is faster and more accurate because of the use of the new Digic IV processor in the MkII. Canon also claims increased AF accuracy by taking into account the lighting source. Apparently earlier AF systems could sometimes be thrown off slightly under fluorescent and some other artificial lighting sources, which can rapidly flicker and sometimes rapidly change color temperature. The 5D MKII is said to be able to rapidly average readings under such lighting (which it can do because of the increased speed of the Digiv IV processor) leading to more accurate AF.

On the 5D MkII, the three points to the left and right of the center are sensitive only to horizontal lines, while the two points above and below the center are sensitive only to vertical lines. The center AF zone is sensitive to both horizontal and vertical lines with a high precision vertical mode with lenses having a maximum aperture of f/2.8 or faster,"

Here's why, in my own decision making, in hindsight, I'm glad I went with 5D2

Liveview: Really useful for getting focus wide open in certain occasions I've found.

Video: I've gotten good use from it

More MP: You may not need 21MP, but I'm really glad to have it especially now that I'm printing more. You can always shoot in SRAW (around 10MP) in situations where it's overkill.

Better LCD: Never used a 5Dc, but I think we can all agree it's bigger and better, no contest.

Auto dust sensor cleaning: Again, never used a 5Dc, but I'm just glad I don't have to deal with its 'notorious' dust issues. Especially since you'll be buying used.

MFA: Although I haven't really sat down to do it proper yet.

Higher/cleaner? ISO: Self explanatory

And the final kicker is I can get the 5D2 new. There aren't any new old stock 5Dc's around or the decision would have been a lot tougher. I don't do used camera bodies.

Downsides?

PRICE, obviously

And the files will eat up your HD much faster, obviously dramatically so if you're doing video.


And keep in mind I came from a 350D and didn't think I 'needed' a lot of this stuff (like liveview) but they are sure nice to have around.

I vote for the 5dII. Also there are numerous threads on this, just search.

I have a 5Dc along with a 1Ds III, have never used the 5D II though. I can tell you that my 5D still holds its own on image quality. I love the images the 5D produces and would recommend getting one with some nicer glass. When the 5D III is announced the price of the 5D II will drop, but the 5Dc has already taken most of its hit.

Since the 5D is quite a bit older you will notice the screen is not very good, but I only use it to see if eyes are open and how the shot is framed, I use the histogram to see if it is exposed properly. I have yet to clean the sensor on my 5D and it is fine, though I rarely shoot smaller than f8.

I second the comment about the Tamron 28-75 2.8, it is a great zoom, I use one on my 5D and 1Ds III and it works very well. I bought a Canon 24-70 2.8 many years ago and returned it because my Tamron was sharper. The build quality and focus speed are not as good as the Canon and the zoom turns the opposite way, but for the money it is a great lens, on the 5Dc or 5D II.

Good luck with you decision.

Tim