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Why does the EF 28mm 1.8 get's so much hate?

 
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Oct 24, 2011 06:14 |  #1

Hi...

I was browsing the forums and came to the conclusion that a lot of people seem not to like the EF 28mm 1.8...
I have one and I use it quite a few on a crop sensor mostly and like it.
It is not the best lens out there, sure...
But it has a nice focal length, it can be used in FF or crop cameras, it has fast USM focusing, it is accurate to focus....
It is not the best performer wide open... But i find mine usable at 1.8 and quite good from 2.2...

So, why so much hate for this little lens?

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Oct 24, 2011 06:41 |  #2

I dunno, i just did a good review of it not very long ago actually!

I think its because the majority of people buying one are simply expecting a lot from it and at its current price its a bit more expensive than the competition...ie, the Sigma 30, most users are also shooting APS-C vs Full Frame..


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Oct 24, 2011 06:44 |  #3

Don't know, mine works fine on the 7D


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Oct 24, 2011 07:27 |  #4

I haven't noticed any "hate" at all for that particular lens. What I have noticed, is that people considering it usually use crop cameras and want a fast normal prime. In that case, the sigma 30 1.4 is a better lens, and costs less, which leads to it being recommended over the 28 1.8, and the reasons for this recommendation being listed, which I suppose you could interpret as "hate", but is in fact just a comparison and list of facts, i.e. The 28 is not as sharp, not as fast, has cheaper build, costs more, the bokeh isn't as smooth or creamy, and it doesn't come with a hood or as long a warranty.


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Oct 24, 2011 08:50 |  #5

Sirrith wrote in post #13296982 (external link)
I haven't noticed any "hate" at all for that particular lens. What I have noticed, is that people considering it usually use crop cameras and want a fast normal prime. In that case, the sigma 30 1.4 is a better lens, and costs less, which leads to it being recommended over the 28 1.8, and the reasons for this recommendation being listed, which I suppose you could interpret as "hate", but is in fact just a comparison and list of facts, i.e. The 28 is not as sharp, not as fast, has cheaper build, costs more, the bokeh isn't as smooth or creamy, and it doesn't come with a hood or as long a warranty.

Nothing personal, but you forgot to mention that the 28 has faster & more reliable AF, shorter MFD and can be used on FF. I also disagree that the 28 build is inferior to the 30mm. Bokeh is subjective. This coming from someone who has owned both lenses for a period of time.

My point is - both are nice lenses. When one is considering the options, it is important to weight the pros and cons. Neither is "better" than the other, only better suited for one's needs.


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Oct 24, 2011 08:59 |  #6

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Nothing personal, but you forgot to mention that the 28 has faster & more reliable AF, shorter MFD and can be used on FF. I also disagree that the 28 build is inferior to the 30mm. Bokeh is subjective. This coming from someone who has owned both lenses for a period of time.

My point is - both are nice lenses. When one is considering the options, it is important to weight the pros and cons. Neither is "better" than the other, only better suited for one's needs.

I omitted them to show how it would be possible to see a comparison between the two as "hate".

When I recommend the sigma 30 over the canon 28 I make sure to always mention the advantages of the canon.

Bokeh being creamier and smoother isn't subjective. What is subjective about bokeh is whether you like creamy bokeh or more "nervous" bokeh.

I'm speaking as someone who was set on the 28 1.8 only to try the sigma 30 at a store and compare it to the 28 1.8, and find that the sigma was better in every way that mattered to me, viz build quality and IQ.


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Oct 24, 2011 09:04 |  #7

I love mine indoors on the 1D3 and think it's a great light-weight walk around on my 40D. It's not the sharpest tool in the box when wide open, but I usually just treat it like an f2.0 lens. I actually just used mine this weekend for my daughters B-Day party and thought it did great. I shoot RAW and PP everything so I don't have an issue with adding a little sharpening/contrast when I use it. The MFD is also a plus.


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Oct 24, 2011 09:53 |  #8

I loved my 28 1.8 and have not a bad thing to say about it.


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Oct 24, 2011 09:54 |  #9

Sirrith wrote in post #13297208 (external link)
I omitted them to show how it would be possible to see a comparison between the two as "hate".

When I recommend the sigma 30 over the canon 28 I make sure to always mention the advantages of the canon.

Bokeh being creamier and smoother isn't subjective. What is subjective about bokeh is whether you like creamy bokeh or more "nervous" bokeh.

I'm speaking as someone who was set on the 28 1.8 only to try the sigma 30 at a store and compare it to the 28 1.8, and find that the sigma was better in every way that mattered to me, viz build quality and IQ.

I see. Sadly, not everyone is as objective as you are. Too often, people are quick to belittle something and put in extremely biased remarks. I guess this is where the "hate" feeling come about.

By the way, I do feel that there is more to bokeh then just about being creamy or smoother, which is why I mentioned it being subjective. ;)


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Oct 24, 2011 10:12 |  #10

By my subjective tests (i.e. looking at my lightroom catelogue), my 28 is sharper than my 30 by 2.2. The 30 was better at 1.8 though. In any case, I like the lighter 28, which I use on my 60D and 5d2, more than I liked the 30. Both are good lenses.


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Oct 24, 2011 11:12 |  #11

I am very interested in this lens. I want a 35L, but don't have that kind of money after getting my 5D2. I love my Sigma 30 on my 7D, but would rather have a lens I can use on both cameras. It looks like I could almost swap straight up for a 28, I'm just hesitant to do so because I feel that my 30 is a good copy, which is not a given it seems. I'll probably just stick with what I have until I can afford the 35L, but I'm still watching for 28's...


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Oct 24, 2011 12:30 |  #12

i too am interested in the 28 to use on my 5dc and 30d, with the 28 on the 5d and my 50 on the 30d i reckon i should be well covered for the weddings i'm second shooting at these days. i don't have 100% confidence in my sigma 24-70 when it comes to focussing but the canon 100/2 i have is awesome. the build of the 28 looks to be similar to the 100/2 and 50/1.4 which is fine by my standards, and the af seems to be as quick and accurate throughout these lenses.

i think i'm gonna take a punt on it around xmas, probably upgrading my 50/1.8 to a 1.4 at the same time, cash permitting.


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Oct 24, 2011 13:23 |  #13

I made a thread about the 28 or the 35 f/2 yesterday. I agree on the hate, after doing a lot of research through Google in the past few days.

Personally, on crop, I had the Sigma 30. It's just an excellent lens. AF is silent, Manual Focus Overall, Extremely excellent build quality, and reasonable price. It was soft at f/1.4, but that's expected, past 2.8 it was super sharp, and bokeh was creamy.

I do miss the Sigma, and I am considering the 28 right now, but I think I'm eventually picking up a 35 f/2 for my 5D. I ask my camera expert friend, and he said anything less than 35mm will not be great due to the glass or elements or something lol I'm not an expert, but I trust him.

Overall, if there's so much dislike for the 28, Canon's probably not doing their job right. There is truth when a majority rules.




  
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Oct 24, 2011 13:39 |  #14

tsong wrote in post #13298509 (external link)
I ask my camera expert friend, and he said anything less than 35mm will not be great due to the glass or elements or something lol I'm not an expert, but I trust him.

I think you might need to reclassify your friend's "camera expert" status.

What he told you about lenses wider than 35mm being "not great" is utter bollocks.


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Oct 24, 2011 13:43 as a reply to  @ tsong's post |  #15

I like my 28/f1.8 for both indoor and outdoor shooting. It's IQ is sufficient to enable some great crops for outdoor shots - - you know... you pull-up some average shot into PP and think "Why, I never even saw that!" So you crop/compose some small detail, and it turns out just great. This can happen a lot shooting flowers or crowds or scenery... you just can't see all the details until you PP.

And for indoor shots, it's good for getting everyone into a group shot... and catching some cute looks because it is fast.


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