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PowerShot S100 or iPhone 4S?

 
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Oct 24, 2011 10:51 |  #61

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Yes, but my OCD will go nuts if I think I'd lose a key.

You know what? Keys are so outdated. It's time for the apps to take over: our doors, cars, workplace, etc. Screw keys. What a waste they are. Everything should, at the very least, be on a combination.

The world should understand that a camera is far more important than a set of keys. keys don't help to make memories.

lol, how will you transfer your pics to your computer if you can't get in the house? I think o the topic of this thread, if someone refused to use keys they should get the iPhone because they'll be able to upload pics directly as they will now no longer have access to their computer because they can't get in their house. :D

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Oct 24, 2011 17:12 |  #62

I have both the 4s and the s100. I am not crazy about the image quality from the 4s. It's great for a phone camera but IMO it doesn't come close to replacing the s100.


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Oct 25, 2011 13:18 |  #63

Cell phone camera's are getting better at a rapid rate. I'm sure the iPhone 4s camera is very good, for what it is. My Thunderbolt camera is 8mp as well and it's not that great.

The s100 would blow away the iPhone 4s. To me, camera's on phones are irreplaceable. I have so many pictures saved from my phone that are terrible quality, but I wouldn't take anything for them. Photo's are memories too!

If you weren't comparing the iPhone 4s camera to the s100, as you later stated... Then why did you make this thread and why is it titled as "PowerShot S100 or iPhone 4S?"


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Oct 26, 2011 17:11 |  #64

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If you weren't comparing the iPhone 4s camera to the s100, as you later stated... Then why did you make this thread and why is it titled as "PowerShot S100 or iPhone 4S?"

Quite simple:

1. As my original post states, I wanted to get people's thoughts on the iPhone 4S camera.

2. I wanted to get input on whether people thought it was capable as a serious photographic tool.


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Oct 26, 2011 17:20 |  #65

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2. I wanted to get input on whether people thought it was capable as a serious photographic tool.

You would have to define what you mean by a "serious photographic tool". For a number of people, nothing short of a full frame dslr ($2500) with l-level glass ($1500/lens, need a short zoom and a long zoom lens) and an expensive prime or two would be a "serious photographic tool".




  
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Oct 26, 2011 19:16 |  #66

tgara wrote in post #13311490 (external link)
Quite simple:

1. As my original post states, I wanted to get people's thoughts on the iPhone 4S camera.

2. I wanted to get input on whether people thought it was capable as a serious photographic tool.

1: It sucks, even when compared to other cellphones (ie: X10, N86, etc) and especially when compared to a camera like the S100.

2: No, it's not. Anyone who even entertains the idea of an iPhone as "a serious photographic tool" probably SHOULD go with it over the S100, as they're not cut out for photography.


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Oct 26, 2011 19:41 as a reply to  @ PaulRivers's post |  #67

Here's a good review of the new iPhone 4S camera by DigitalRev. It looks like a pretty nice P&S alternative to me.

http://www.youtube.com​/watch?v=Oxm-uE5ABRg (external link)


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Oct 26, 2011 21:23 |  #68

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1: It sucks, even when compared to other cellphones (ie: X10, N86, etc) and especially when compared to a camera like the S100.

Dead wrong. If it wasn't any good, it wouldn't be used by pros like Chase Jarvis and others.

2: No, it's not. Anyone who even entertains the idea of an iPhone as "a serious photographic tool" probably SHOULD go with it over the S100, as they're not cut out for photography.

Hmmm. Then by that logic, Jarvis et al. "are not cut out for photography" despite the fact Chase is a working pro with years of experience and tons of awards who published an entire book of iPhone photos. In light of this, maybe you should reconsider that statement? Or maybe have your meds adjusted?

I'm getting tired of your attitude about this, droning on and on how the iPhone camera sucks. News flash, guy: Just because you say it and think it doesn't make it true. Objective evidence is working completely against your kind of thinking and your inane statements. As Patrick Moynihan used to say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. The facts are that the camera built into this device is darn good and can take good images. Many pros agree. Many amateurs agree. Their published photos prove the point. And that's all that matters.


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Oct 26, 2011 22:20 |  #69

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Dead wrong. If it wasn't any good, it wouldn't be used by pros like Chase Jarvis and others.

Hmmm. Then by that logic, Jarvis et al. "are not cut out for photography" despite the fact Chase is a working pro with years of experience and tons of awards who published an entire book of iPhone photos. In light of this, maybe you should reconsider that statement? Or maybe have your meds adjusted?

I'm getting tired of your attitude about this, droning on and on how the iPhone camera sucks. News flash, guy: Just because you say it and think it doesn't make it true. Objective evidence is working completely against your kind of thinking and your inane statements. As Patrick Moynihan used to say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. The facts are that the camera built into this device is darn good and can take good images. Many pros agree. Many amateurs agree. Their published photos prove the point. And that's all that matters.

Dude...you keep bringing up the saaaaaaaaaame guy over and over and over. Boring. Why don't you just marry Chase? I bet an iPhone-white wedding dress would look fetching on you.

I've seen the stuff that comes out of iPhones (both online and foolishly printed and framed on my friends' walls) ... it's nothing spectacular, even in the cellphone arena, let alone when compared to a top-notch compact like the S100. It's certainly not "a serious photographic tool." It's a good go-to tool for snapshots.

Look, dude...you came on here wanting everyone to bow down to your iPhone. Now that we're not, you're all upset. That's neat and all, but just buy your damn phone and stop this silliness already. Please.

EDIT: when I was in newspapers we used to print pictures we took on our absolutely horrid Blackberrys (2 or 3MP with horrible optics, etc)...having stuff printed because there is no other alternative doesn't mean it's good. Ever heard the phrase "better than nothing"?

As for facts...go look at some ISO 12233 comparisons and other high-resolution tests and come back to me. I know more facts about the iPhone and other cellphone cameras (I researched it exhaustively before settling on my Xperia X10) than you seem to, so don't try any of that "know your facts" nonsense with me.


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Oct 26, 2011 23:25 |  #70

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I have both the 4s and the s100. I am not crazy about the image quality from the 4s. It's great for a phone camera but IMO it doesn't come close to replacing the s100.

There ya go! Thats how Im going to satisfy this dilemma for myself, Ill own BOTH! ;)


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Oct 26, 2011 23:55 |  #71

OP, the problem here is what is "serious photography"? This is a question that plenty of ppl still debate over. Plenty of ppl debate over the merits of HDR, Film, Photoshop, Raw vs Jpg, Full Frame vs Crop vs Medium, Point and Shoot vs DSLR, Point and shoot vs phone etc.

What Chase and some other photographers did was to show that a camera phone or iPhone can be used for photography, especially for composition purposes. Chase showed that you don't need pro glass to make interesting photos. He never claimed that a camera phone was better in terms of dynamic range, optics or sensors. He never claimed that the iPhone was his camera of choice for photography either. He's still shooting with DSLRs.

This question of "serious" photography is something you have to answer yourself. What you do with your craft and what you like is up to you. its subjective. But the facts however are plain and simple. As a camera, the s100 is better than the iPhone in almost every conceivable technical measurement.


on a side note, i havnt seen anyone ask: "can i replace my dslr with the s100?" yet


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Oct 27, 2011 07:32 |  #72

I've gotten some nice shots from the iPhone 4s, but having the ability to manipulate the exposure (this is with an S95) can sure make the iPhone 4s look like a dog at times:


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Oct 27, 2011 07:33 |  #73

imjason wrote in post #13313202 (external link)
OP, the problem here is what is "serious photography"? This is a question that plenty of ppl still debate over. Plenty of ppl debate over the merits of HDR, Film, Photoshop, Raw vs Jpg, Full Frame vs Crop vs Medium, Point and Shoot vs DSLR, Point and shoot vs phone etc.

What Chase and some other photographers did was to show that a camera phone or iPhone can be used for photography, especially for composition purposes. Chase showed that you don't need pro glass to make interesting photos. He never claimed that a camera phone was better in terms of dynamic range, optics or sensors. He never claimed that the iPhone was his camera of choice for photography either. He's still shooting with DSLRs.

This question of "serious" photography is something you have to answer yourself. What you do with your craft and what you like is up to you. its subjective. But the facts however are plain and simple. As a camera, the s100 is better than the iPhone in almost every conceivable technical measurement.

on a side note, i havnt seen anyone ask: "can i replace my dslr with the s100?" yet

Well said. After this, we're beating a dead horse.


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Oct 27, 2011 13:16 |  #74

padmasana wrote in post #13314166 (external link)
I've gotten some nice shots from the iPhone 4s, but having the ability to manipulate the exposure (this is with an S95) can sure make the iPhone 4s look like a dog at times:

Try the application ProHDR, I bet that for the type of picture you have here you will get a result that will get your attention.


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Oct 27, 2011 14:01 |  #75

Why would anyone with an understanding of how cameras work argue about the merits of a cell phone camera with tiny optics, a tiny sensor and a HUGE honking piece of thick glass in front of the objective lens?

If you're an iPhone fan-boy, then go to Hawaii and marry your phone and stop trying to convince the rest of us to respect a cell phone as a camera.

I'll start using an iphone to take photos when they add an SD card slot and optical zoom. Otherwise, keep your iLove to yourself and let the rest of us get back to discussing real cameras.




  
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