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what's your take: 70-200 2.8L II or 85L + 135L + 200L?

 
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Oct 29, 2011 07:41 |  #1

Hi...

Well, the title pretty much says it all...
What would you take?
A 70-200 2.8L II, for the convenience of the zoom and the IS...
Or...
An 85 1.2L, a 135L 2L and a 200 2.8L II?
It wouldn't have IS and you would have to change lenses more often... but... Would it be better than just a 70-200?
Or would the output be so similar, that it wouldn't be worth it...

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Oct 29, 2011 07:48 |  #2

Horses for courses I'd say, it all depends on what you are shooting and the way you are used to shooting. Meaning switching primes vs. zooming.

Price-vice the 70-200 is the obvious choice, but you really can't compare the lenses even though the 70-200 covers the focal lengths, but the 85 goes down to f/1.2 and the 135 goes to f/2.

IS on the other hand is a life-saver if you shoot subjects that are still.

It wouldn't be a hard one if I had the money...all of them it is.


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Oct 29, 2011 08:16 |  #3

I hate changing lenses. Get tne 70-200 a couple tc's and a 35l.


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Oct 29, 2011 09:43 |  #4

regatta wrote in post #13324253 (external link)
I hate changing lenses. Get tne 70-200 a couple tc's and a 35l.

yep, that is the way to go.....
2.8 or die!




  
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Oct 29, 2011 09:43 as a reply to  @ regatta's post |  #5

70-200L 2.8 MKII all the way and if you felt like you needed more add the 85L.




  
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Oct 29, 2011 09:46 |  #6

unless you needed the faster lens ... and was just after PQ
70-200 f/2.8 II IS


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Oct 29, 2011 10:19 |  #7

I used to shoot weddings back in the day, with a Mamiya Pro-TL and a bunch of prime lenses. At the time that I felt that I had to go digital I would have happily gone to a digital back for the Mamiya, had it been possible and affordable, and would have continued to use those Mamiya primes. But I couldn't, so I bought a Canon 10D and a lens system that included primes and zooms.

Within a short period of time I realized that the zooms gave me opportunities to get shots that I would have missed with primes. The primes might be technically sharper but the zooms - at least the Canon L zooms that I have - are acceptably sharp. (That sounds like a back handed compliment at best but what I mean is that I can look at an 11X14 print from one of these lenses and be satisfied with it, while recognising - at 100% on my monitor - that the zoom image is not as sharp as say what my 100mm macro may give me.) I just came to the conclusion that a shot that I was able to take with acceptable sharpness was better than having superb sharpness in a shot that I missed.

So unless speed or depth of field creativity is the deal breaker I'd suggest the zoom. By the way my 70-200 f2.8L (non IS) is remarkably sharp - in my opinion prime sharp - and the Mark II should be even better.


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Oct 29, 2011 10:55 |  #8

DaveG wrote in post #13324617 (external link)
I used to shoot weddings back in the day, with a Mamiya Pro-TL and a bunch of prime lenses. At the time that I felt that I had to go digital I would have happily gone to a digital back for the Mamiya, had it been possible and affordable, and would have continued to use those Mamiya primes. But I couldn't, so I bought a Canon 10D and a lens system that included primes and zooms.

Within a short period of time I realized that the zooms gave me opportunities to get shots that I would have missed with primes. The primes might be technically sharper but the zooms - at least the Canon L zooms that I have - are acceptably sharp. (That sounds like a back handed compliment at best but what I mean is that I can look at an 11X14 print from one of these lenses and be satisfied with it, while recognising - at 100% on my monitor - that the zoom image is not as sharp as say what my 100mm macro may give me.) I just came to the conclusion that a shot that I was able to take with acceptable sharpness was better than having superb sharpness in a shot that I missed.

So unless speed or depth of field creativity is the deal breaker I'd suggest the zoom. By the way my 70-200 f2.8L (non IS) is remarkably sharp - in my opinion prime sharp - and the Mark II should be even better.

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Oct 29, 2011 11:09 |  #9

Many modern zoom lenses are very nearly (if not equally) sharp as modern primes; the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II being a good example. Sharpness, at least at the high end, is no longer a key determinant of the prime vs. zoom battle.

What zooms are absolutely terrible at is shooting at < f/2.8. That's why I shoot exclusively primes. If you're ok with f/2.8 and smaller, then don't give up the flexibility of zooms. If you need/want <f/2.8, then the zoom is not an option. That's really what the question comes down to.

I use primes for everything except event shooting, where the flexibility of zooms (and the ability to use bounced or even - gasp - direct flash) trumps large apertures.


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Oct 29, 2011 11:34 |  #10

The kit I last used was a 35L, 85 1.8 and 135L. When I shot my cousins wedding the 135L was great for portrait sessions, but during the ceremony when people are relatively still it lacked a bit of flexibility to frame. I had to uncomfortably zoom with my legs between people. If I had to do it again, with the the zoom versatllity and the IS, I think I would have preferred a 70-200 is i/ii instead of the 135L. After most of the daylight disappeared, I used my 35L and 85 primes the rest of the night during the reception.


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Oct 29, 2011 15:38 |  #11

NorthWestDork wrote in post #13324856 (external link)
The kit I last used was a 35L, 85 1.8 and 135L. When I shot my cousins wedding the 135L was great for portrait sessions, but during the ceremony when people are relatively still it lacked a bit of flexibility to frame. I had to uncomfortably zoom with my legs between people. If I had to do it again, with the the zoom versatllity and the IS, I think I would have preferred a 70-200 is i/ii instead of the 135L. After most of the daylight disappeared, I used my 35L and 85 primes the rest of the night during the reception.

This is a great strategy.

Basically, when I have control over the framing or when I need or want <f/2.8, I choose primes. When I need flexibility in the framing or when just getting the shot trumps anything else, I choose zooms.

For travel and my own personal photography, it's primes all the way.


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Oct 29, 2011 17:05 |  #12

Other than bringing a 17-40 for travel, that is pretty much how I use my primes/zooms.


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Oct 29, 2011 17:15 as a reply to  @ bohdank's post |  #13

The magic of the 135F2 and 35F1.4 (primes) always blow me away. Zoom schmoom. Use your feet man! lol


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Oct 29, 2011 18:18 |  #14

lankforddl wrote in post #13326009 (external link)
The magic of the 135F2 and 35F1.4 (primes) always blow me away. Zoom schmoom. Use your feet man! lol

have you tried 70-200mm f2.8 IS II?


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Oct 29, 2011 18:21 |  #15

I will have all including the zoom since money doesn't seems to be issue.


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