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Nov 01, 2011 17:19 |  #31

I can partially understand shooting at night with long exposures is one reason to get a fullframe based camera, however most of the time when you shoot at night you use a tripod, low iso and long exposuretimes to capture your subject. Then you will get just fine results with your cropsensor.

About subject isolation, i'm afraid this is also another myth related to the fullframesensor where you get a small difference compared to a cropsensor but it's not as big as you might think. As i shoot with both the 7D and 5D2 i see the good and bad parts both sensors has and i can't say that the subject isolation on the 5D2 is better than the 7D when shooting with the same lens. The difference may be there and if it's there it's only marginal. If you want to isolate your subjects better, get a longer lens, that will make a BIG difference, much bigger than a fullframe sensor will.

Here are some examples i shot with my 7D and the Canon EF 300mm 2,8 lens.

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Nov 01, 2011 17:29 |  #32

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Think of full frame like Kim Kardashian. Spend 10 million to marry her but when the lights go out she's just a whining b%$^&. ;):)

Hopefully the full frame would at least last longer than 72 days. ;)


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Nov 01, 2011 17:33 |  #33

Subject isolation - interesting thought. With the same focal length, same aperture, same subject, and same shooting distance, you'll get more, not less, subject isolation with the crop (in terms of depth of field). "But nobody shoots that way!" Maybe, maybe not, but it is correct. Bottom line, if you don't need lots of empty space around your subject you can get plenty of subject isolation with a crop at the same focal length and aperture as you'd be using on a full frame.


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Nov 01, 2011 17:37 |  #34

Magnus3D wrote in post #13339072 (external link)
About subject isolation, i'm afraid this is also another myth related to the fullframesensor where you get a small difference compared to a cropsensor but it's not as big as you might think.

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Unless I'm reading this wrong the 7D has a shallower DOF:

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Nov 01, 2011 17:39 |  #35

dave kadolph wrote in post #13339157 (external link)
Unless I'm reading this wrong the 7D has a shallower DOF:

http://www.dofmaster.c​om/dofjs.html (external link)

As I noted above, this is correct if shooting the same focal length, same aperture, and same distance to subject. :)


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Nov 01, 2011 17:49 |  #36

Magnus3D wrote in post #13339072 (external link)
I can partially understand shooting at night with long exposures is one reason to get a fullframe based camera, however most of the time when you shoot at night you use a tripod, low iso and long exposuretimes to capture your subject. Then you will get just fine results with your cropsensor.

About subject isolation, i'm afraid this is also another myth related to the fullframesensor where you get a small difference compared to a cropsensor but it's not as big as you might think. As i shoot with both the 7D and 5D2 i see the good and bad parts both sensors has and i can't say that the subject isolation on the 5D2 is better than the 7D when shooting with the same lens. The difference may be there and if it's there it's only marginal. If you want to isolate your subjects better, get a longer lens, that will make a BIG difference, much bigger than a fullframe sensor will.

Here are some examples i shot with my 7D and the Canon EF 300mm 2,8 lens.


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Well on a 5d2 the background is blurrier often just enough for shapes to become quite unrecognisable.
I'm not saying i can't get subject isolation.

I like this one, if i had FF i could do full body shots at this distance and i'd be happy.

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I'm contemplating getting faster lenses 135L or 200L f/2 :shock:
But those cost like a FF body (or two) and it won't solve the problem that i have to loose "mm" when things get close.

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Nov 01, 2011 17:58 |  #37

I still think you are focusing way to much on the whole fullframe concept. Be smart and spend your money wisely on lenses instead of a fullframe body. You will still not get satisfactory shots because you will see you need new glass once you got such a body.

Besides that shot of the royalties will look better with people visible in the background, they complement the subjects in focus. If they were as blurry as in your first photo the composition would be less interesting as they would be pulled out of context. What i'm trying to say is you cannot see who they are waving their hands at. Think about that.. :)

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Nov 01, 2011 18:10 |  #38

FF is overrated. Sometimes I think people with cameras are more concerned about gear than the actual photograph. This is why 99% of photographs are garbage. If people concerned themselves with the making of the actual photograph, the world would be a better place.


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Nov 01, 2011 18:13 |  #39

Easy for me being retired on a fixed income not likely to spring for a 2200 dollar Camera body. I keep plugging a long with my 20D


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Nov 01, 2011 18:14 |  #40

Darkwand wrote in post #13338607 (external link)
I don't get it how can people live their lives without lusting for a full frame camera all the time?
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easy, just go to this website
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look at the comparison between full frame and crop
and then say: $2,500 for that ?




  
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Nov 01, 2011 18:21 |  #41

I develop a strange aura when my gear lust kicks in, one that only my wife sees. Then I get a scornful look from her and if the aura does not vanish within minutes, I get a mouthful and the next thing I know is I'm clicking the "X" on the top-right corner of the browser window instead of the "Submit" button :D:D


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Nov 01, 2011 18:22 |  #42

watt100 wrote in post #13339323 (external link)
easy, just go to this website
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/CO​MPS01.HTM (external link)
look at the comparison between full frame and crop
and then say: $2,500 for that ?

Knowledge is power...... :p

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Nov 01, 2011 18:26 |  #43

I'll lust after full frame when I get sick of my 7D. Might be a long time to be honest. Sports, birding and macro are pretty, pretty good with my 7d. Someday I'll need to replace it, and that's when I'll consider (and possibly lust after) a full frame.


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Nov 01, 2011 18:31 |  #44

[QUOTE=Darkwand;133386​07]I don't get it how can people live their lives without lusting for a full frame camera all the time?

+1
:D:D:D - it's so difficult not to.


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Nov 01, 2011 18:38 |  #45

[QUOTE=Cham_001;133393​87]

Darkwand wrote in post #13338607 (external link)
I don't get it how can people live their lives without lusting for a full frame camera all the time?

+1
:D:D:D - it's so difficult not to.

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