How do you survive the lust for Full Frame?

TeamSpeed wrote in post #13341621
We probably need to be careful in just throwing around the crop term. I know this statement was made in relation to the 7D earlier in your reply though.

You're right. I was referring to APS-C cameras, not APS-H. APS-H is different. The only drawback to APS-H is that you loose a little bit of wide angle, which may or may not matter to you, but it should be noted since APS-C cameras have other options in EF-S lenses. The 1D3 should definitely be a consideration for anyone looking in that price range, but it depends on application. The 5DII has an advantage in overall resolution as well as high-iso and those factors may be more important to some than the superior build quality, autofocus as well as other features of the 1d iii.

My point, I guess is that there are a lot of factors that go into the choice of a camera body, with sensor size being just one of them.

Naturalist wrote in post #13341456
I survive the lust by looking at the price and then referencing my checkbook balance. Pretty cut and dry.

This is how I stop myself from buying photo equipment.

I was quite happy with my 7D, until I found a fairly good deal for the 5Dii, so I just ended up getting that and forsaking my 7D. That said, my check book and my girlfriend said, "If you *want* it..."

People's issues with AF aside, I like my 5D because it works a lot (a LOT) like my 30D for most circumstances, so it wasn't a stretch to get used to "downgrading" from the 7D.

Go get an $80. dollar film camera and scan the negatives. Full Frame.

But yeah I know what you mean. Full frame FTW.

I resist because all of the APS sized options that provide a resolution and ISO improvement and don't involve a backwards technology step in usability over my 40D are priced out of my justification range.

- A 5Dc would get me better quality pixels and a stop or maybe two of usable ISO and is likely to be my next budget body purchase, though it's probably $300-400 above what I could seriously justify at the moment - that might change down the track.
- A 1Ds2 is another option but ISO-wise I'm not sure if it is going to be worth the money for me and there is also physical size (it's bad enough dealing with the impression the 40D creates over a P&S, let alone a 1 series) and useability issues. Cost more than the 5D...
- 1D2n doesn't offer any resolution improvement.
- 1D3 doesn't offer more pixels but arguably offers much better pixels and has 2, maybe 3, stops ISO advantage over the 40D from what I can see - cost and size are big detractors
- 5D2, 1D4, 1Ds3 or 1DX: $$$ They all offer the sort of improvements I want but are too much camera for me.
- A 1Ds is an intriguing option for me at the moment. They go for doable (for me) prices at the moment. I'm just not convinced it is going to give me anything that much better than the 40D does. Certainly not enough to warrant investing in the experiment IMO.

I also realise that the higher resolution APS-C bodies would be an improvement. The 50D is even around the price I could spend at the moment. Again, I'm not sure it will offer enough of a step up over the 40D to justify the outlay.

The only times I wish for more from my 40D is when I am in low light (inside buildings) shooting machinery for later reference at work. Yes, a flash would help (and does) a lot of the time but I run into enough instances that I think I'd like to be able to use more than ISO 800 without fear of not being able to pick out interesting details at close to 100% during later reference. An MT-24EX would probably solve all my problems

I also thought I wanted an APS sized sensor to go wide but the 14mm is plenty wide for me on the 40D at the moment

I've decided to wait until the 5Diii is out and the 5dii drops below the $1500 mark, maybe in 1-2 years. Of course, given the constant rise of glass prices, I may end up spending the same or more when I finally do upgrade body + lenses.

easy for me, i'm still learning about the 7d.

smythie wrote in post #13341896
I resist because all of the APS sized options that provide a resolution and ISO improvement and don't involve a backwards technology step in usability over my 40D are priced out of my justification range.


- A 1Ds2 is another option but ISO-wise I'm not sure if it is going to be worth the money for me and there is also physical size (it's bad enough dealing with the impression the 40D creates over a P&S, let alone a 1 series) and useability issues. Cost more than the 5D...

- 1D2n doesn't offer any resolution improvement.


- A 1Ds is an intriguing option for me at the moment. They go for doable (for me) prices at the moment. I'm just not convinced it is going to give me anything that much better than the 40D does. Certainly not enough to warrant investing in the experiment IMO.

the 1D2 is a great camera, I used one side my side, usually one in each hand with a 7D. sometimes, if i wanted a LOT of shots of a really fast sequence, id hold the 7d on top of the 1D2(turned upside down) and fire away. it may sound dumb, but in practice it was pretty cool to be able to really catch the action. besides, two different sensors, two different ''look and feel''s


the 1Ds2 im sure would be a real kick @ss camera. ive never used nor seen one. but if i had the money at the time, I would have purchased one over the next subject....


the 1Ds1!!!

I purchased this camera, thinking it would be a 1 series camera, real fast. Nope. its slow, slow to turn on, slow to operate, slow to do just about anything with- except autofocus in good light. the low light performance of a how old camera? yeah its not brilliant... but if you use a fast lens... IE a 50mm, the AF is fine enough(and always better than a 5Dc, period.)

the 1Ds1 should be regarded in 2010(and forward) terms of technology as a film camera with adjustable ISO on the fly.

Really, the files from the 1Ds1, look a little muddled sometimes, those are big photosites, but I have yet to see a camera that really yields the film feeling, with out actually shooting film.

even shooting with the cheapo 50mm/1.8 is magic.

Now that all being said. THE ONE LENS I on the 7D that has given me a close approximation to that magical film feeling is the sigma 30mm F1.4.


Honestly, I should have purchased that lens when I first started. but i knew nothing about photography and was just happy with having purchased a 7D as my first camera.

LOOKING back, I would have bought the 7D(sans kit) and the sigma 30mm and NOT have looked back.

rick_reno wrote in post #13342531
easy for me, i'm still learning about the 7d.

im in no need or hurry for a FF.. unless there is a 8fps FF out there...

but i am trying to learn how to better get one of THESE in my hands (7d)!!!! I have needed the 8fps a few times... as the 3.7 my t2i does is not quite enough... im missing pics that if i had would make a great collage
im training my jedi skills on getting my truck through inspection first and what i can sell to get parts of the funds...

I went from a 40D to a 1DsII. Honestly I wish the high ISO handling was a bit better but otherwise it's still a fantastic FF rig.

smythie wrote in post #13341896
I resist because all of the APS sized options that provide a resolution and ISO improvement and don't involve a backwards technology step in usability over my 40D are priced out of my justification range.

- A 5Dc would get me better quality pixels and a stop or maybe two of usable ISO and is likely to be my next budget body purchase, though it's probably $300-400 above what I could seriously justify at the moment - that might change down the track.
- A 1Ds2 is another option but ISO-wise I'm not sure if it is going to be worth the money for me and there is also physical size (it's bad enough dealing with the impression the 40D creates over a P&S, let alone a 1 series) and useability issues. Cost more than the 5D...
- 1D2n doesn't offer any resolution improvement.
- 1D3 doesn't offer more pixels but arguably offers much better pixels and has 2, maybe 3, stops ISO advantage over the 40D from what I can see - cost and size are big detractors
- 5D2, 1D4, 1Ds3 or 1DX: $$$ They all offer the sort of improvements I want but are too much camera for me.
- A 1Ds is an intriguing option for me at the moment. They go for doable (for me) prices at the moment. I'm just not convinced it is going to give me anything that much better than the 40D does. Certainly not enough to warrant investing in the experiment IMO.

I also realise that the higher resolution APS-C bodies would be an improvement. The 50D is even around the price I could spend at the moment. Again, I'm not sure it will offer enough of a step up over the 40D to justify the outlay.

The only times I wish for more from my 40D is when I am in low light (inside buildings) shooting machinery for later reference at work. Yes, a flash would help (and does) a lot of the time but I run into enough instances that I think I'd like to be able to use more than ISO 800 without fear of not being able to pick out interesting details at close to 100% during later reference. An MT-24EX would probably solve all my problems

I also thought I wanted an APS sized sensor to go wide but the 14mm is plenty wide for me on the 40D at the moment

dlintz wrote in post #13342979
I went from a 40D to a 1DsII. Honestly I wish the high ISO handling was a bit better but otherwise it's still a fantastic FF rig.

wow i want the 7d for 8fps.. but a quick google results..
Capable of firing at 4 frames per second for bursts of up to 32 frames in JPEG or 11 frames in RAW

i may have to think about this!!!!! price is still too much for me.. but can dream...

TeleFragger wrote in post #13343126
wow i want the 7d for 8fps.. but a quick google results..
Capable of firing at 4 frames per second for bursts of up to 32 frames in JPEG or 11 frames in RAW

i may have to think about this!!!!! price is still too much for me.. but can dream...

What is so special about that? The 7D easily moves more data.

wfarrell4 wrote in post #13343132
What is so special about that? The 7D easily moves more data.

nothing much.. just my first time seeing a FF over 4fps... im going to replace my camera hopefully in 2-3 months with a 7d as it is the price breaker for me.. i can sell my camera and hopefully fund a 7d.. a FF is out of my price...

TeleFragger wrote in post #13343181
nothing much.. just my first time seeing a FF over 4fps... im going to replace my camera hopefully in 2-3 months with a 7d as it is the price breaker for me.. i can sell my camera and hopefully fund a 7d.. a FF is out of my price...

The DsIII is 5FPS and the DX is 12FPS.

Do you live under a rock? From the Geico commercial....

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wfarrell4 wrote in post #13343190
Do you live under a rock? From the Geico commercial....

prolly.. that is all im tryin to say...