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Nov 05, 2011 16:50 |  #16

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You were not complaining during WWII ;)

Of course not, although you took your time getting here, admittedly a lot quicker than the previous time, though. ;)

To be fair though, if it wasn't for the Russians, who did the vast majority of the fighting in WW2, the D-Day landings would have been squashed before they got off the beach and we would all be speaking German now.




  
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Nov 05, 2011 16:58 |  #17

There weren't any Russians in Italy, North Africa or anywhere in the Pacific. As the son of a 5th Army veteran, I find your comment incredibly offensive and amazingly ignorant.


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Nov 05, 2011 17:28 |  #18

I am sure it was not meant to be offensive or derogatory. There were no Russians in the Pacific there were also no Americans or British in Kursk. The defeat of Facism in Europe and the defeat of Japanese expansionism was undertaken by many nations each making a very valuable contribution that should not be turned into a 21st century pissing contest.


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Nov 05, 2011 17:32 |  #19

sigma pi wrote in post #13358215 (external link)
The point is its a dumb arms race.

Indeed it was ;)


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Nov 05, 2011 17:38 |  #20

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #13358390 (external link)
There weren't any Russians in Italy, North Africa or anywhere in the Pacific. As the son of a 5th Army veteran, I find your comment incredibly offensive and amazingly ignorant.

His comment was intended to be light hearted.

There might not have been any Russians in those places you mention, but as neil_r points out, there weren't any Americans anywhere on the Eastern Front, which did a good job of splitting the Axis forces up, without which I don't doubt there would have been a good chance of a different outcome. I also think its quite fair to say the Russians did do most of the work. Their ~10 million casualties speak for themselves. Note I am not saying that everyone else did nothing. Every country played its part and was vital to the cause.


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Nov 05, 2011 17:50 |  #21

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #13358390 (external link)
There weren't any Russians in Italy, North Africa or anywhere in the Pacific. As the son of a 5th Army veteran, I find your comment incredibly offensive and amazingly ignorant.

No, they weren't in Italy, North Africa or the Pacific.

There were however several million of them tying up three quarters of the German army on the eastern front. Somewhere between 70-80% of German losses in WW2 were down to the Russians, and around 80% of Allied losses were Russian.

Now, I am no supporter of Stalin and his politics, but to ignore the role the Russians played in beating the Germans is simply burying ones head in the sand. My comment was based purely on the fact that had the Russians not been tying up most of the German army in the east, when we invaded mainland Europe, many of those troops would have been on the Western front and the American and British troops (along with the others who fought alongside them) would have suffered even heavier casualties than they did. Most of the objectives that were intended to be reached on the first day (Caen, Bayeau etc) were not achieved until some time later. Had German forces been double or triple the numbers they actually were, as would have been likely without the Russians tying up so many, it is unlikely that Overlord would have succeeded and the German defences would have held.

The 5th Army would also have met with more resistance at Salerno the previous year, for example, and maybe the Germans would have had enough forces to stand and fight longer than they did.

I mean no offence to you and your fellow Americans, your contribution was very much needed, and welcomed, as was that of everybody who fought on the Allies side. I merely meant that without the (numerically) biggest army in the war (Russia) fighting the Germans on the Eastern front, those on the Western front would have had to face the entire German army, rather than about a quarter of it.

I apologise if giving the Russians some credit for causing the vast majority of the German casualties during the war caused you offense, none was meant. However, to call me "amazingly ignorant" because I believe that it wasn't America, or Britain, that did the most damage to Hitler's aims in WW2, but Russia, I do find offensive. You only have to consider the numbers.

Taking the whole war into account, America lost around 400,000 military personnel, the UK lost around 325,000. Those are high figures and I for one am grateful to all those who gave their lives in the fight to defeat Hitler. However, those numbers (horrific though they are, when you consider the personal losses to families etc) are dwarfed by the approximately 8.5 - 10.5 million Russian military personnel, who gave their lives for the cause. In the process they caused the vast majority of the roughly 4.5 million German military losses during the war.

If you truly believe that the Russians played no part in Hitler's defeat, because they weren't there in Italy, Africa or the Pacific, then I am sorry but it is you that is being amazingly ignorant




  
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Nov 06, 2011 02:29 |  #22

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If you truly believe that the Russians played no part in Hitler's defeat, because they weren't there in Italy, Africa or the Pacific, then I am sorry but it is you that is being amazingly ignorant

And in the end, they all registered on Model Mahem after the war, and got back on track again.

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Nov 06, 2011 09:27 |  #23

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And in the end, they all registered on Model Mahem after the war, and got back on track again.

:p

Yeah, sorry about that. I got a bit riled up being called offensive and amazingly ignorant, after posting what was intended to be a quick, light hearted bit of banter, then back to the topic.

I felt I had to justify my comment which, while thrown in as a light hearted comment, is based very much on the facts.

Flyingphotog doesn't look like he is going to comment, or apologise for being so rude, so we should be back on topic now.




  
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Nov 06, 2011 11:31 |  #24

neil_r wrote in post #13358468 (external link)
I am sure it was not meant to be offensive or derogatory. There were no Russians in the Pacific there were also no Americans or British in Kursk. The defeat of Facism in Europe and the defeat of Japanese expansionism was undertaken by many nations each making a very valuable contribution that should not be turned into a 21st century pissing contest.

You know, sometimes you just read a post that makes so much sense that any further discussion on an off-topic comment would seem foolish at best. This is the post that could use to demonstrate that concept.




  
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Nov 06, 2011 15:01 |  #25

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You know, sometimes you just read a post that makes so much sense that any further discussion on an off-topic comment would seem foolish at best. This is the post that could use to demonstrate that concept.

Yeah ... so what do you think the PM feature is in a forum for, and the New Topic button? So maybe we can dodge our own personal tangents and zero-in on the subject. Personally, I don't like having sift through half a page of replies to figure out which have, or don't have something relevant to the thread. Other subjects are interesting, but within other forum categories to streamline reading.

And on the subject of escorts, I've only seen 1 out of 5, or 20% prefer escorts.

Whether to say yes or no, I think I will leave up to a shoot by shoot consideration when the time arrives.


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Nov 06, 2011 19:19 as a reply to  @ sandpiper's post |  #26

mdvaden wrote in post #13359904 (external link)
And in the end, they all registered on Model Mahem after the war, and got back on track again.

:p

:lol: That is smooth :D

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Yeah, sorry about that. I got a bit riled up being called offensive and amazingly ignorant, after posting what was intended to be a quick, light hearted bit of banter, then back to the topic.

Yeah thats all I was going on, just some casual good fun banter.

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