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Is a 580Ex II strong enough for outdoors?!?!?

 
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Nov 06, 2011 20:25 |  #16

Get a white popup tent thing and shoot under that. Costco usually sells them for < $99. Or ask someone to hold a black reflector above the person if you can't find shade. Use bare flash if you have to. If sun outside, keep to the subject's back.


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Nov 06, 2011 20:40 |  #17

bobbyz wrote in post #13363162 (external link)
Get a white popup tent thing and shoot under that. Costco usually sells them for < $99. Or ask someone to hold a black reflector above the person if you can't find shade. Use bare flash if you have to. If sun outside, keep to the subject's back.

Thats really smart i actually had thought of that but i think thats a great idea the tent one. I mean im not shooting models either im just shooting young kids but i want to deliver good work you know thanks




  
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Nov 06, 2011 21:02 |  #18

The problem with making just a person dark is the background is really bright and distracting, or tends to blow out. It's not a good look. Reflectors are great at making people squint.


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Nov 06, 2011 21:20 |  #19

mo5751 wrote in post #13362469 (external link)
I will be shooting individuals for a soccer team sometime next week and I have a 580exII and was planning on buying a stand wireless receivers and a brolly or softbox.

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i had just bought the flash...

Your problem here is timing.
Photography is complicated.
Flash photography is four times as complicated.
Mixing flash and ambient light is even more complicated.
And when you have a lot of ambient (sunshine), well...

This stuff takes practice. You can't buy a piece of gear one day and expect to make professional images the next. And if you don't thoroughly explore the limits of your lighting before a big project like a whole soccer team full of kids, then you're headed for a train wreck.

I don't know how to fix the situation at this point. But the one certainty is that your lack of equipment isn't the problem. Your lack of experience with this kind of equipment is the problem.


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Nov 06, 2011 21:21 |  #20

Any chance of doing the shots indoors?


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Nov 06, 2011 21:22 |  #21
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I don't know why you were linked to the einsteins, alienbees will work just fine for what you need them for and save you some cash.


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Nov 06, 2011 21:34 |  #22

I was going to shoot without flash I already know exactly where im going to shoot and without flash it was fine I just wanted to try something new. Thanks for all the help though. I'm going to shoot it without flash but ill be getting the equipment and practice with the flash and maybe a qbox or a umbrella till I feel comfortable with that.




  
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Nov 06, 2011 22:38 |  #23

Shadow on the Door wrote in post #13363435 (external link)
I don't know why you were linked to the einsteins, alienbees will work just fine for what you need them for and save you some cash.

No real reason, that's why I said "or similar".


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Nov 07, 2011 08:20 |  #24

mo5751 wrote in post #13363493 (external link)
I was going to shoot without flash I already know exactly where im going to shoot and without flash it was fine I just wanted to try something new. Thanks for all the help though. I'm going to shoot it without flash but ill be getting the equipment and practice with the flash and maybe a qbox or a umbrella till I feel comfortable with that.

Use the flash. Don't worry about nay sayers. Use bare flash but off camera. Sun at the back. If you can find some shade better. Select back ground so that you got some trees. We talking single person shots so 580exII shouldn't be problem IMHO. It will be lot better than no flash.


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Nov 08, 2011 15:52 |  #25

If you are only doing individuals, why not use a reflector.




  
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Nov 08, 2011 16:10 |  #26

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If you are only doing individuals, why not use a reflector.

If it's a sunny day a reflector will make people squint or look like they're in pain from the incredibly bright light source. I used one once, never again.


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Nov 08, 2011 16:16 |  #27
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then you didn't use it right, I've had a ton of success with a reflector for sunny outdoor portraits, no squinty eyes at all..


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Nov 08, 2011 17:16 |  #28

Shadow on the Door wrote in post #13372273 (external link)
then you didn't use it right, I've had a ton of success with a reflector for sunny outdoor portraits, no squinty eyes at all..

I'm not sure how you can use it incorrectly. Generally you want to put light onto a persons face, so the reflector is reflecting light back at them. The light from the sun is bright.

How do you do it? I'm genuinely interesting in learning how to use a reflector on a sunny day.


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Nov 08, 2011 17:44 |  #29
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well for one, relfecting from the side/diagonally instead of right in front of them will minimize glare. I've honestly never had your problem so I don't know how I'd correct it.


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Nov 08, 2011 18:05 |  #30

Shadow on the Door wrote in post #13372658 (external link)
well for one, relfecting from the side/diagonally instead of right in front of them will minimize glare. I've honestly never had your problem so I don't know how I'd correct it.

Putting it to the side helps, but it's still a really bright light and makes people squint. I personally find flash much more effective.

Can you show us any images using a reflector?


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