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Nov 14, 2011 10:29 |  #16

Once in a while my focus will fart or something and search for a brief instant. Yes I have search disabled. The only tall focus issues I ever had was with filters that were less than top of the line. Cheap filters cause more focus issues than the camera itself.


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Nov 14, 2011 10:59 as a reply to  @ mattymx's post |  #17

I already have the 15-85, bought a few months ago for my still doin fine 20D, is this lens good enough for the 7D?
I have very good sharpness with it on my 20D....




  
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Nov 14, 2011 11:02 |  #18

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Had to take a break. This old guy was pooped by half time. But a couple of links of Boudin from the concession stand revived me!

Note that I was shooting the 300 on the 7D and not the MK III. I get more reach with that combo. If you look closely at the 300 you will see I have a 1.4x TC mounted on it. That got me in the huddle!

The 7D focuses fast with the 300 and the MK III lets me shoot in pretty close (end zone, cheerleaders) with the 70-200 on it.


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Nov 14, 2011 11:58 |  #19

CanonCleGuy wrote in post #13397660 (external link)
"Buy it, if there is anything wrong we will replace it for you"!

CanonCleGuy, What a difference replacing a question mark with an exclamation mark can have on the sentence.:D:D:D

Seriously go ahead and buy the thing but make sure you put it through the paces with some knowledge of it before you invest. If it's not what you thought or otherwise bad in some way you'll be able to return it!
It's everything in a camera I wanted ...unfortunately my particular unit wasn't right!




  
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Nov 14, 2011 12:48 as a reply to  @ NU27D's post |  #20

I have tried so many 7Ds both in-store and used ones. None have focus issues. Either all 20+ 7Ds are perfect or I am just plain lucky. I now own a 7D myself. AF is spot on and does not lose anything against my older 1d2n. Definitely leave my 5D for dead on action shots.


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Nov 14, 2011 16:34 |  #21

MT Stringer wrote in post #13397797 (external link)
The 7D focuses fast with the 300 and the MK III lets me shoot in pretty close (end zone, cheerleaders) with the 70-200 on it.


I just bought a 7D 2 weeks ago ...coming from a T1i since they came out. I love the 7D.

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Nov 14, 2011 16:37 |  #22

Go get a 7D. From my experience, focus issue was both user and camera error. Just keeping on shooting.


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Nov 14, 2011 16:41 |  #23

I have a 15-85 on my 7D and it focuses just fine, pictures ain't too bad either :D


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Nov 14, 2011 17:52 |  #24

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I just bought a 7D 2 weeks ago ...coming from a T1i since they came out. I love the 7D.

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Nov 14, 2011 20:18 |  #25

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Still hesitating because i KNOW there ARE 7D's with focus problems....

There probably are a few 7D that roll out of the factory with actual AF problems... Just as there probably are some with bad shutters or metering systems that sneak past QC inspection, too.

But the vast majority of "problems" with the 7D are...

1. People who buy it but don't actually need it's features and don't have the experience to use it well...

2. People who don't take the time to read up and learn how to use it.

Very few "problems" track back to the camera itself. Sure, there are bound to be a few faulty cameras. But It's more often the person behind the camera who is at fault. 7D has another layer of complexity in the AF system, lot's of opportunity to set things up wrong and get in trouble... Which people are oh so good at doing and then sometimes blaming on the camera. It takes some time and effort to learn to use the camera well. It's usually best to set up AF as simply as possible and learn to use some of the enhancements a little at a time.

I would ask what you plan to shoot with it... Sure, 7D can shoot most anything, someone will respond. But if someone is planning portraits, weddings, landscape, still life... Generally mire sedate One Shot AF mode things like that... With 7D they're paying roughly $500-600 premium they really don't need to spend, buying features they're unlikely to use very often. If you are in AI Servo shooting action/sports a large percentage of the time... Well, this is the camera's forte and the extra cost might be money well invested to get the results you need. There are other nice features of the 7D, such as an upgraded shutter (rated to 150K clicks, as opposed to 100K on the 50D and 60D)... 100% viewfinder (which adds to the camera's size and weight, it's actually a little heavier than the full frame 5DII)... 8 fps (vs 5 fps on 60D, 6 fps on 50D)... fairly customizable control layout... some additional sealing for weather/dust resistance... Micro Focus adjust feature (which the 50D has, but the 60D doesn't... what was Canon thinking?). It uses the good, newer Lithium batteries - LP-E6 (same as 60D, 5DII) - which are probably good for 35 to 40% more shots than the earlier BP-511A (50D). The active matrix focus screen is a neat feature... but takes a little getting used to... You don't have as much feedback that AF is working, when shooting in AI Servo, so you have to learn to trust yourself and the camera a bit.

7D designers seemed to assume a fairly advanced user. It is Canon's most pro-oriented APS-C camera to date. It's expected that its users will want to give the camera more input and already know their way around a DSLR. Look on the mode dial... No "Running Man" icon (or the "Mountain", or any of the other Basic mode icons) Instead there are three user programmable "C" modes. Even images out of 7D seem to need a little more experienced user... the camera uses a relatively strong anti-alias filter so RAW files need more sharpening than with previous models.

7D is sort of a "1D Mark IV Lite". If you can see yourself using a 1D4... If that camera would be "the ultimate" for your particular type of shooting, but perhaps is just impractical considering it's price, then the 7D is a less expensive, somewhat scaled down option.


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Nov 14, 2011 20:22 |  #26

I'm not going to say every 7d focuses perfectly all the time, and there will be duff ones slip past canon QC.

But my 7D is every bit as good as you'd hope it is.


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Nov 14, 2011 23:35 |  #27

Reservoir_Dog wrote in post #13395937 (external link)
Hello all,

I want to buy a new 7D, but what about the focus issues, ..

There were focus issues :confused: .. I must have missed that memo ;)


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Nov 15, 2011 01:49 |  #28

I had a 7D and to be honest the camera is a beast. Super fast and positive. It really is a nice camera. for a crop.


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Nov 15, 2011 03:29 |  #29

amfoto1 wrote in post #13400283 (external link)
There probably are a few 7D that roll out of the factory with actual AF problems... Just as there probably are some with bad shutters or metering systems that sneak past QC inspection, too.

But the vast majority of "problems" with the 7D are...

1. People who buy it but don't actually need it's features and don't have the experience to use it well...

2. People who don't take the time to read up and learn how to use it.

Very few "problems" track back to the camera itself. Sure, there are bound to be a few faulty cameras. But It's more often the person behind the camera who is at fault. 7D has another layer of complexity in the AF system, lot's of opportunity to set things up wrong and get in trouble... Which people are oh so good at doing and then sometimes blaming on the camera. It takes some time and effort to learn to use the camera well. It's usually best to set up AF as simply as possible and learn to use some of the enhancements a little at a time.

I would ask what you plan to shoot with it... Sure, 7D can shoot most anything, someone will respond. But if someone is planning portraits, weddings, landscape, still life... Generally mire sedate One Shot AF mode things like that... With 7D they're paying roughly $500-600 premium they really don't need to spend, buying features they're unlikely to use very often. If you are in AI Servo shooting action/sports a large percentage of the time... Well, this is the camera's forte and the extra cost might be money well invested to get the results you need. There are other nice features of the 7D, such as an upgraded shutter (rated to 150K clicks, as opposed to 100K on the 50D and 60D)... 100% viewfinder (which adds to the camera's size and weight, it's actually a little heavier than the full frame 5DII)... 8 fps (vs 5 fps on 60D, 6 fps on 50D)... fairly customizable control layout... some additional sealing for weather/dust resistance... Micro Focus adjust feature (which the 50D has, but the 60D doesn't... what was Canon thinking?). It uses the good, newer Lithium batteries - LP-E6 (same as 60D, 5DII) - which are probably good for 35 to 40% more shots than the earlier BP-511A (50D). The active matrix focus screen is a neat feature... but takes a little getting used to... You don't have as much feedback that AF is working, when shooting in AI Servo, so you have to learn to trust yourself and the camera a bit.

7D designers seemed to assume a fairly advanced user. It is Canon's most pro-oriented APS-C camera to date. It's expected that its users will want to give the camera more input and already know their way around a DSLR. Look on the mode dial... No "Running Man" icon (or the "Mountain", or any of the other Basic mode icons) Instead there are three user programmable "C" modes. Even images out of 7D seem to need a little more experienced user... the camera uses a relatively strong anti-alias filter so RAW files need more sharpening than with previous models.

7D is sort of a "1D Mark IV Lite". If you can see yourself using a 1D4... If that camera would be "the ultimate" for your particular type of shooting, but perhaps is just impractical considering it's price, then the 7D is a less expensive, somewhat scaled down option.

Nice post. I'm uber keen on the 7D (from a 550D currently). I'm also one of those who are slightly hesitant due to the supposed AF issues. My take was that between all the noise there is a genuine concern about higher than average AF failure.

I'm thinking though that if that was indeed the case then surely Canon would have rectified the problem by now, the 7D has been out for what, two years?

Now to convince myself that WANT = NEED. :grin:


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Nov 15, 2011 08:37 as a reply to  @ SiriS's post |  #30

Get it with a warranty and if it turns out to be an issue, get it fixed. The 7D is a world apart in the hands from your 550D. I have both. If I had to guess, the 7D doesn't have any more focus issues than any other camera, but it does have a user base with with more fauxtographers than any other. My guess is that most Rebel users don't really have the high expectation that a 7D user has and most 5D and higher users know their AF really well (and have less complicated AF systems too). The AF system on the 7D is the most complicated AF system on the market yet is in the price range of P&S graduates. I think this unique combination leads to a greater number of reported issues.

I did have the same concerns though. I ended up buying on the CLP for $1059. The nice thing about a refurb is that it has been manually checked out by a human. :-)


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