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Nov 14, 2011 08:31 |  #46

wow...easy folks...just wanted some light advice !

Hey "shotbytom" ...you are voicing my exact sentiments as far as the choice and considerations of cameras.. a big "suppose to have" I should know better than to be caught up in all of that. The batteries are the same that I was looking at yesterday...I will go with them. I bought after market batteries for my 50d and they have been fine for almost 2 years...only one looses power fast if leave it in the cold (freezing Maine weather)... A deal at $18 vs $68... and I need at least 4 to keep a backup supply for shoots.....


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Nov 15, 2011 11:20 |  #47

I've had my 7D for about 1yr now, upgrading from a t1i and just made a purchase of a 5D classic this past weekend, and while I've been reading all the back and forth about what's better and what's not, in my opinion, I love the 5D for it's own reasons as I do the 7D.

Do I think 1 is more superior to the other? NO, each body has it's HIGH POINTS and DOWN SIDES.. hence why I now own both... There will always be a debate on what's better and what's not, just let people go with their own decisions and learn from their own experiences. But to bicker about this is better then that and so on, is just plain Amateur..

BOTH CAMERAS ARE AWESOME PIECES... EACH SERVES IT PURPOSE WONDERFULLY.

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Nov 15, 2011 11:22 |  #48

frozenmoments925 wrote in post #13402861 (external link)
... each body has it's HIGH POINTS and DOWN SIDES.. hence why I now own both... There will always be a debate on what's better and what's not,....

BOTH CAMERAS ARE AWESOME PIECES... EACH SERVES IT PURPOSE WONDERFULLY.

now for lunch....

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Nov 15, 2011 11:29 |  #49

I thought this was a troll thread..

You stuck a lens designed for a smaller APS-C sensor onto a full frame sensor and wonder why it vignettes?

I don't think you understand the relation between a APS-C sensor and a full frame sensor and the cropping that results.


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Nov 15, 2011 18:05 |  #50

r34p3rex wrote in post #13402895 (external link)
I thought this was a troll thread..

You stuck a lens designed for a smaller APS-C sensor onto a full frame sensor and wonder why it vignettes?

I don't think you understand the relation between a APS-C sensor and a full frame sensor and the cropping that results.

that is correct..I have never pursued the ff sensor cameras..I am happy with my current lenses and want a body that will work with them...I am obviously stupid and know nothing about photography...I have never taken a decent photo and wouldn't know one if it hit me in the eyes...do you feel amply superior now? I will crawl back into my tiny frame hole and sob at the thought of owning these inadequate camera bodies. ( or maybe I'll just have some fun shooting sun sets !)


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Nov 15, 2011 19:34 |  #51

MOkoFOko wrote in post #13395780 (external link)
FF isn't for everyone. You are proof of this :p

As a member of the pixel-peeper society, my 5d blew my 7d out of the water for any shots that didn't involve tracking.

Why in the world do you have the 75-300 and the 70-200 2.8? The 70-200 2.8 w/1.4x TC will vastly outperform the 75-300. Is there a purpose behind owning both that I'm overlooking?

Ya, what you are overlooking is first the difference between the lenses... the vast difference in wide open f stop and quality of the lenses. the 75-300 was purchased when I bought my Rebel years ago.. I purchased the 70-200 when I decided to get more serious... The signature gear is ancient and not accurate at this point...almost all of that was stolen 2 years ago in Costa Rica..Just haven't taken the time to update ..


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Nov 15, 2011 19:38 |  #52

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Care to say where that reconditioned 5D is. I'm interested!

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Nov 15, 2011 22:33 |  #53

I own both 5D & 7D differnt tools for differnt applications.

Wish the 5D had a self clean sensor, thats my only beef

Consider me a happy camper. I enjoy both.


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Nov 16, 2011 00:50 |  #54

I spent the better part of four days studying example photos from the 40D up to the 1Ds Mk's. I have to say that based on PURE image quality from 100-800 iso, and for bang for the buck, a lightly used 5Dc is the way to make some nice shots. Of course one would miss bells and whistles. But the IQ/price ratio is what I look for in a camera. Many, many, 7D shots are riddled with noise, even at 100iso. Details are often lost in the noise. The 5D shoots so cleanly that I DID compare it to the 1D lineup, and it holds its own. (nomex flamesuit on)

take a look at these 5D shots 100iso:
http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4555663394%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4652383768%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4490613437%​26size%3Do (external link)

then look at these 7D shots 100iso:

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5321638896%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5650712640%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5814268130%​26size%3Do (external link)


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Cygnusx1 wrote in post #13406206 (external link)
I spent the better part of four days studying example photos from the 40D up to the 1Ds Mk's. I have to say that based on PURE image quality from 100-800 iso, and for bang for the buck, a lightly used 5Dc is the way to make some nice shots. Of course one would miss bells and whistles. But the IQ/price ratio is what I look for in a camera. Many, many, 7D shots are riddled with noise, even at 100iso. Details are often lost in the noise. The 5D shoots so cleanly that I DID compare it to the 1D lineup, and it holds its own. (nomex flamesuit on)

take a look at these 5D shots 100iso:
http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4555663394%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4652383768%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D4490613437%​26size%3Do (external link)

then look at these 7D shots 100iso:

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5321638896%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5650712640%​26size%3Do (external link)

http://www.pixel-peeper.com …d%3D5814268130%​26size%3Do (external link)


These exemples don't show anything. All you've proven is that different exposures provide different amounts of noise... None of the shots are the same lighting wise at all.

As for noise, the 7D performs excellently. I would be interested in seeing a print at ISO 100 where the 7D showed noise in a print below poster size.

You have to realize that noise performance isn't a big deal unless you're printing huge, but when you print huge your viewer stands farther back anyway so the noise is still negligible.


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Nov 16, 2011 02:47 |  #56

Definately the 7D this time. I've just got a 5D MkII to go with my 7D and both have fantastic IQ. Only used the 5D a couple of times after a mate lent me it when he'd got a 5D2. Then I saw the pics from the 5D2 and decided that I was going to save for one of those instead of buying his 5D. I'm not knocking the 5D at all, but IQ from the 7D is better IMO and better still with the 5D2.


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Nov 16, 2011 07:13 |  #57

I don't have any back to back examples, but after reviewing hundreds of photos, the 5D was more appealing to the eye. Have a look for yourselves, and pick some examples you think are comparable.

http://www.pixel-peeper.com/cameras/?ca​mera=1335 (external link)


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Nov 16, 2011 07:47 |  #58

Here is a complete unadulterated 7D ISO sweep I did when the 7D first came out. These are JPGs right out of the camera at each ISO level, then a few other samples for other topics.

http://teamspeed.smugm​ug.com …7D-Full-ISO-JPG-Suite-OOC (external link)

I don't see any objectionable noise really pop up in the 100% view unti ISO 800, and considering the size of the image, resizing and light NR eliminates it.

These were before I even learned the nuances of the 7D and changed how I shoot with it. These were basically the first shots I took within the first day or two of ownership.


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Nov 16, 2011 09:29 |  #59

I hope you guys can sell me on the 7D, because my 20D needs an upgrade, and I really want the 7D. The 5D seemed a little bit more wallet friendly than the 7D when looking at ONLY IQ but I will keep looking, with an open mind.

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Nov 16, 2011 10:10 |  #60

Cygnusx1 wrote in post #13407411 (external link)
I hope you guys can sell me on the 7D, because my 20D needs an upgrade, and I really want the 7D. The 5D seemed a little bit more wallet friendly than the 7D when looking at ONLY IQ but I will keep looking, with an open mind.

TeamSpeed, thanks for the link!

Google a compare with the 5d, 60d, 7d. the 60d does as well as the 7d but without video...also 1/2 the price at $850... I would have been tempted if there had been one in the store...unfortunatly my money was burning a hole in my pocket !!


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