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Mini-Review: Trying To Get the Most out of the 7D High ISO Images

 
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Aug 18, 2011 07:21 as a reply to  @ post 12956358 |  #61

Thanks i'm still experimenting with Lightroom.


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Aug 18, 2011 07:31 |  #62

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your shot is under exposed.
if you push your exposure at least 1/2 stop (in camera) - your shot and noise will be better controlled.

this is even before you get to HTTR.

personally been using LR for the last 3 years for wedding work and personal stuff.
LR3 is at the point where i did not need a third party noise reduction.

Thanks. Here is the LR3.4.1 screen of the picture. The adjustment are what LR offers as default, with the following changes from my part:

WB adjustment (2650, +5)
Exposure: raised +0.3 stops
Sharpening: reduced to 0
Color NR: luminance 65

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Aug 18, 2011 09:19 |  #63

paparios wrote in post #12956438 (external link)
Thanks. Here is the LR3.4.1 screen of the picture. The adjustment are what LR offers as default, with the following changes from my part:

WB adjustment (2650, +5)
Exposure: raised +0.3 stops
Sharpening: reduced to 0
Color NR: luminance 65

Miguel

In the case some of you might want to contribute with your own expertise in PP, I have placed a group of original ISO12800 RAW files (both for the 7D and the 50D) for downloading, in the following link http://web.ing.puc.cl/​~mrios/imagenes/high-iso-raw/ (external link)

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Aug 19, 2011 01:04 |  #64

Paparios,
not sure if you stated in an earlier post.... but RAW need sharpening.

so sharpen first and then apply the noise reduction.

Sharpening: (i have different sharpening for different situations)
start with the last slider - mask. try about 75

the 4 value from top to bottom:
85
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20
75

with this setting - you are applying a mask and eliminating a lot of flat surfaces.
You can hold you Alt key (not sure Mac key) as you select the slide. as you move left/right you will see the amount of sharpening. anything that is white is going to be sharpened.


Your top slider should be about the same or a little less than you mask as a general rule.

after this, move the luminous slider between 20 & 30 (under Noise reduction).

Hope this helps.
With this setting you will have good general sharpening for people. my portrait setting are different than this.


I learned this from Martin Evening's book on LR. He was on the design team for LR.
The sharpening is the same algorithm used in Photoshop. It has been tweaked or further optimized from previous releases.
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Aug 19, 2011 06:25 |  #65

excellent


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Aug 19, 2011 08:01 |  #66

Ziffle wrote in post #12961421 (external link)
Paparios,
not sure if you stated in an earlier post.... but RAW need sharpening.

so sharpen first and then apply the noise reduction.

Sharpening: (i have different sharpening for different situations)
start with the last slider - mask. try about 75

the 4 value from top to bottom:
85
1.4
20
75

with this setting - you are applying a mask and eliminating a lot of flat surfaces.
You can hold you Alt key (not sure Mac key) as you select the slide. as you move left/right you will see the amount of sharpening. anything that is white is going to be sharpened.


Your top slider should be about the same or a little less than you mask as a general rule.

after this, move the luminous slider between 20 & 30 (under Noise reduction).

Hope this helps.
With this setting you will have good general sharpening for people. my portrait setting are different than this.


I learned this from Martin Evening's book on LR. He was on the design team for LR.
The sharpening is the same algorithm used in Photoshop. It has been tweaked or further optimized from previous releases.
-Mark

Thank you for your tips. However, for ISO6400 to ISO12800 shots, applying sharpening does produce some artifacts that I don't like. Here are two 100% crops of the girl picture. The first is with your sharpening recommendation, while the second is with 0 sharpening applied. In my opinion, no sharpening gives better results for this example.

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Aug 19, 2011 08:16 |  #67

paparios wrote in post #12962242 (external link)
Thank you for your tips. However, for ISO6400 to ISO12800 shots, applying sharpening does produce some artifacts that I don't like. Here are two 100% crops of the girl picture. The first is with your sharpening recommendation, while the second is with 0 sharpening applied. In my opinion, no sharpening gives better results for this example.

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Furthermore, when looking at normal size (or for printing), it is difficult to see a big difference with the applied sharpening. The first picture is with your sharpening recommendation, while the second is without any sharpening.

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Aug 26, 2011 00:06 |  #68

When you are in the digital realm ... you are limited to your screen.

Start printing and at fairly large sizes and you will see a difference.


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Aug 26, 2011 05:06 |  #69

Ziffle wrote in post #13001649 (external link)
When you are in the digital realm ... you are limited to your screen.

Start printing and at fairly large sizes and you will see a difference.

Actually using the screen as a loupe means that if images look decent at nearly 80-100% viewing, large prints will look great. Sure, only posting resized images only would validate your statement but many are willing to post their crops too.


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Aug 26, 2011 07:29 |  #70

Being able to segregate areas for sharpening from areas for NR is one of the reasons having masking as an option in PPing.


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Aug 26, 2011 07:46 |  #71

Ziffle wrote in post #12961421 (external link)
so sharpen first and then apply the noise reduction.

Really, how do you do that in Lightroom ?

I mean, sharpening and noise reduction are just different settings in LR. I am not aware of any method to enforce the processing order in LR.


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Nov 20, 2011 14:34 |  #72

Okay, I have a new item to add to this thread to help others. I had completely forgotten about uniWB, and if you shoot ETTR, using uniWB really helps. Just shooting with the regular histogram, and trying to push the curve right doesn't really help if you blow out a color channel. The histogram won't easily reflect that, even if you use the RGB histogram.

So I did a very low light uniWB and ETTR combo with the 7D at ISO 12800 this morning. I shot a black frame at ISO 100, f1/1000, and then set that as my custom WB image. I then took a picture of my daughter, who got up a bit too early this morning and quietly made her way down to the basement to color. :)

I took a shot of her with the RGB curves far to the right so that they didn't blow out, but came very close. I then post processed the image in DPP.


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Nov 20, 2011 14:35 |  #73

Here is a partial crop. Don't expect a sharp pic, handheld even with IS shooting a 3 year old in the lighting we were in won't yield a sharp pic, no matter the camera (well maybe the 1DX).


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Nov 20, 2011 19:41 as a reply to  @ TeamSpeed's post |  #74

Great work!


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Dec 11, 2011 18:35 |  #75

I my very well be missing something, but bumping up the EC seems like it would be defeat the purpose of using high ISO. Typically, when I choose to increase ISO is in low-light situations when I need an increased shutter speed...however, if I increase this EC, this is going to in turn DECREASE the shutter speed again.



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