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Wedding Custom Album - Designer vs. B&G

 
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Dec 01, 2011 15:42 |  #1

1. Do you show the design to the B&G before printing?
2. If yes, do you limit the amount (page, spread, photos) of update that you will do to the completed design by the B&G request?
3. Do you show the updated design to the B&G again before printing?
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Dec 01, 2011 19:03 |  #2

I'd say yes to all 3. :)


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Dec 01, 2011 19:25 |  #3

I predesign the album, then let the B&G change it any way they like. I find this works well because couples have no idea how to design an album, or what will work, but when shown something they often will ask to change photos or layouts. This process means I make bigger, nicer albums, and means things get done much more quickly too. We go through 1-4 rounds of changes, they sign off a proof, then it gets made.

I don't limit changes, though I have the right to in my contract.


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Dec 01, 2011 21:16 |  #4

nicksan wrote in post #13481864 (external link)
I'd say yes to all 3. :)

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Dec 01, 2011 21:25 |  #5

I favor Tim's approach, having done it both ways. Clients have a choice to go with 'photographers choice' or their own. Invariably, when clients choose, the whole process usually slows way down because it can take months for them to go through and choose.


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Dec 01, 2011 22:54 |  #6

Thanks Guys!
I just completed one with the 2nd round of changes and hope that it is the last. I can't imaging going up to 4 rounds like Tim :) :(. Can't wait to share them here.

Do you let B&G pick and choose which photos to use and which not?
Have you ever face situation that B&G pick photos those were not your pick and eliminate your favorite / artistic pick for the album?

I know they are the Boss b/c they are paying for the service so do you silently follow their request or you educate / break it down for them about your pick and their pick.

One Bride requested me to create and have Selective Color images in her album and I talk her out of it. Good thing the Groom was on my side :).


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Dec 01, 2011 23:40 |  #7

I got up to 11 rounds of changes ones. I did it with a smile. Most changes were quite small, but it's a little time consuming providing pdf proofs in between. I ended up saying i'm happy to make as many changes as you'd like, but you must be in my office to make those changes.


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Dec 02, 2011 06:55 |  #8

As many rounds as it takes. Once the basic design is done, changes at that level tend to be pretty simple; swap a picture here, change a border there. These are things that quite literraly take 60 seconds. It's part of the service they're paying for in the cost of their album.


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Dec 02, 2011 09:19 |  #9

bw! Tim.

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I got up to 11 rounds of changes ones. I did it with a smile. Most changes were quite small, but it's a little time consuming providing pdf proofs in between. I ended up saying i'm happy to make as many changes as you'd like, but you must be in my office to make those changes.

True, except it dragging the process a little longer.

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As many rounds as it takes. Once the basic design is done, changes at that level tend to be pretty simple; swap a picture here, change a border there. These are things that quite literraly take 60 seconds. It's part of the service they're paying for in the cost of their album.


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Dec 03, 2011 00:50 |  #10

I do what Tim does. I did start limiting corrections, though, when I had a bride change her design over 10 times and she'd make changes to the changes she just made. In the end, the final album actually looked very similar to the original album so we just kept circling around due to her indecisiveness. Only happened to me once, though, so I won't enforce my correction policy until a bride is changing the same things she changed in the last 3 rounds. That's when it just becomes ridiculous and time wasting.


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Dec 03, 2011 05:23 |  #11

By the time I get to a third or fourth edit, it's the bride who's turning sensitive to how much she's asking. It's very rare that it gets past that and even when it does, it's usually around one element of one page so the edits are very quick and easy to accomodate.


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Dec 03, 2011 19:00 |  #12

I can agree with the above by the fourth change it has been nailed.

To answer the original question yes to all three.


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Dec 04, 2011 06:10 as a reply to  @ MGiddings Photography's post |  #13

I have in my contract that I design all albums, with final proofing by the client for minor changes.

I discuss this with clients at the 1st meeting, along with my reasons for doing it this way.

This works extremely well for me with 99% of clients not making any changes at all and the most changes I have made for a client was swapping 3 pics. This was done via email without any extra meetings with the clients.




  
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Dec 10, 2011 08:39 |  #14

I have found that I can tell the story much better if I pick the pictures and pre-design the album. Once done, I show it to the couple electronically and they usually go with it or make small design changes. More often, there are a few pictures they want added or swapped which I do and update the online preview. Used to have them pick pictures first but it can take forever for them to get around to it and the pictures they choose don't always work well together in the album design.


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Dec 10, 2011 16:56 |  #15

I've only done two albums with clients so far, I set up the book with the photos I thought best told the story, than met in person with the client to show them the proof, on the spot we swapped out photos so they could see their changes in real time. I then take it home do a few little tweaks depending on how well their choices fit the layout and send off a final proof.

I do the same thing with photo collages. (Usually the customer walks away impressed by how well I know their entire gallery)


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