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Which crop sensor camera has the best image and color quality?

 
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Dec 05, 2011 09:04 |  #1

All other features aside, which one, nikon or canon, comes closest to the 5DII?

After days and days of reading and trying to decide which body I will get next, I've gotten nowhere. BUT, I have finally decided what is most important to me. Color and image quality.

I can't justify buying a 5D for at least a couple more years, so which crop sensor camera will get me the best results?

I was almost set on a used 7D but then I saw the comparisons on this site: http://www.jmphotocraf​t.com/5DII_v_7D/ISO_te​st/ (external link)

Then I wondered if the 7D was just the closest to the 7D in price because of it's speed and movie capabilities. Perhaps another camera gives up those 7D features but makes it up in image quality. Any thoughts?


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Dec 05, 2011 09:20 |  #2

Canon: 600D, 60D, or 7D. They all use the same sensor, just that the bodies are more crippled towards the cheaper end.

Nikon, I couldn't tell you. The D7000 is very good, apparently.

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Dec 05, 2011 09:24 |  #3

wimg wrote in post #13497527 (external link)
Canon: 600D, 60D, or 7D. They all use the same sensor, just that the bodies are more crippled towards the cheaper end.

Nikon, I couldn't tell you. The D7000 is very good, apparently.

Kind regards, Wim

I checked out the D7000 actually. I found it small and uncomfortable to hold. I guess I should have mentioned that as well. I need something the size of a 7D or 60D. Maybe even a Nikon D300s.


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Dec 05, 2011 09:26 as a reply to  @ wimg's post |  #4

A friend of mine has a D7000, and yes it is a very good camera, but he takes bloody awful shots with it.
I have seen a lot of posts saying how you can never quite get hat 'full frame' feeling from a crop sensor, that shallow depth of field and that 'pop'. But I have seen some photographers using a 5DII and a bag full of L's get shots that even I would be ashamed to show anyone, and on the other side of the fence some very good photographers can get excellent results from a crop camera.
I wonder sometimes if it is like asking whether you can match the performance of a Ferrari F40 with a Ford Fiesta!


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Dec 05, 2011 09:31 |  #5

Between the 7D and 60D, there isn't too much of a difference when it comes to sensors. 7D has two of them which allows faster FPS but IQ are going to be the same on both.


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Dec 05, 2011 09:31 |  #6

Wide Boy wrote in post #13497562 (external link)
A friend of mine has a D7000, and yes it is a very good camera, but he takes bloody awful shots with it.
I have seen a lot of posts saying how you can never quite get hat 'full frame' feeling from a crop sensor, that shallow depth of field and that 'pop'. But I have seen some photographers using a 5DII and a bag full of L's get shots that even I would be ashamed to show anyone, and on the other side of the fence some very good photographers can get excellent results from a crop camera.
I wonder sometimes if it is like asking whether you can match the performance of a Ferrari F40 with a Ford Fiesta!

Yeah for sure. But as I'm sure almost anyone here knows, once you start to compare things, you tend to get carried away. I'm positive I have been looking at too many specs for my own good. Hence why I turn to the board.

I might check out a D300s and a 7D today.


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Dec 05, 2011 09:39 |  #7

RHChan84 wrote in post #13497593 (external link)
Between the 7D and 60D, there isn't too much of a difference when it comes to sensors. 7D has two of them which allows faster FPS but IQ are going to be the same on both.

Correction: the 7D has two image processors which allows faster FPS, but only 1 sensor.


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Dec 05, 2011 09:41 |  #8

RTPVid wrote in post #13497622 (external link)
Correction: the 7D has two image processors which allows faster FPS, but only 1 sensor.

Yup, that. Processors and sensors are different. Thanks for the correction.


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Dec 05, 2011 09:58 |  #9

Max Powers wrote in post #13497453 (external link)
I can't justify buying a 5D for at least a couple more years, so which crop sensor camera will get me the best results?

Any thoughts?

What equipment do you have to start with?
If you're thinking of buying a used 7D, or jumping into an off-brand system, why not just get a re-furb 5D 1 or 2 and enjoy it now?


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Dec 05, 2011 10:30 |  #10

T2i/550D, T3i/600D, 60D and 7D all share essentially the same 18MP sensor.... not exactly the same, but close enough you'd have a hard time telling apart images from each of them. Same resolution and high ISO performance. It's more the other features of the camera (price, size, build, control layout, feature set, performance other than image quality) that set them apart from one another.

In fact, I always felt my 15MP 50Ds gave very close to 5DII image qualities: color rendition, etc. The FF camera has a bit more dynamic range than any of the croppers, and FF will always give more fine detail to work with, and stays more noise free at about a stop higher ISO. But to my eye the later, 18MP croppers just seem to saturate colors a bit more (more "Nikon-like", for lack of a better term). Of course, you can tweak this either with the camera settings or in post production, making the results more similar with each other.

The T1i should be pretty close to the 50D, too, since they share sensor and processor.

All of these cameras use Digic 4, though they probably each have their own unique algorythms.

The metering system of 50D, T1i and 5DII is the earlier 35 zone type. The other models all use the newer, 63 zone iFCL type metering system, which might make a bit of difference in some specific situations (I find it handles strongly backlit situations better in my 7Ds).

As good as the last couple generations of crop cameras have been, I'm not sure a lot of folks will ever really "need" full frame. The differences just aren't that dramatic any longer, unless you are doing huge prints or massive crops or have other specific need that only FF can fulfill. I prefer FF for subjects that I'm more inclined to print really large, or when I want to work with really large or really small apertures... But still use croppers for the vast majority of my shooting and have sold prints as big as 24x36" from images made with both the 15MP and 18MP APS-C cameras.


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Dec 05, 2011 10:30 |  #11

DAMphyne wrote in post #13497696 (external link)
What equipment do you have to start with?
If you're thinking of buying a used 7D, or jumping into an off-brand system, why not just get a re-furb 5D 1 or 2 and enjoy it now?

I currently have an XSi and some cheap lenses. I'd have no problem selling and starting off with new stuff. I does add excitement to my life...lol.

The 5D1 i also thought of, but due to it's age, the recall they had, and the guesstimated shutter release count, I decided against it. The 5DII is still about 800-1000$ (used on ebay for 1800$) more than I want to spend at this point in my hobby. If I shop around enough, I can get a crop camera that is still very good for 1000$, I hope.


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Dec 05, 2011 10:34 |  #12

amfoto1 wrote in post #13497848 (external link)
T2i/550D, T3i/600D, 60D and 7D all share essentially the same 18MP sensor.... not exactly the same, but close enough you'd have a hard time telling apart images from each of them. Same resolution and high ISO performance. It's more the other features of the camera (price, size, build, control layout, feature set, performance other than image quality) that set them apart from one another.

In fact, I always felt my 15MP 50Ds gave very close to 5DII image qualities: color rendition, etc. The FF camera has a bit more dynamic range than any of the croppers, and FF will always give more fine detail to work with, and stays more noise free at about a stop higher ISO. But to my eye the later, 18MP croppers just seem to saturate colors a bit more (more "Nikon-like", for lack of a better term). Of course, you can tweak this either with the camera settings or in post production, making the results more similar with each other.

The T1i should be pretty close to the 50D, too, since they share sensor and processor.

All of these cameras use Digic 4, though they probably each have their own unique algorythms.

The metering system of 50D, T1i and 5DII is the earlier 35 zone type. The other models all use the newer, 63 zone iFCL type metering system, which might make a bit of difference in some specific situations (I find it handles strongly backlit situations better in my 7Ds).

As good as the last couple generations of crop cameras have been, I'm not sure a lot of folks will ever really "need" full frame. The differences just aren't that dramatic any longer, unless you are doing huge prints or massive crops or have other specific need that only FF can fulfill. I prefer FF for subjects that I'm more inclined to print really large, or when I want to work with really large or really small apertures... But still use croppers for the vast majority of my shooting and have sold prints as big as 24x36" from images made with both the 15MP and 18MP APS-C cameras.

Great info! Thx.

In the end, as you said, when put into perspective and not just comparing specs and getting caught up in it, there's just no way I really NEED a full frame camera. I just get greedy.

I'm sure a 1000$ body and some good lenses would serve me better anyway.


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Dec 05, 2011 10:39 |  #13

Max Powers wrote in post #13497849 (external link)
I currently have an XSi and some cheap lenses...

The biggest bang for your buck would very likely be upgraded lenses. Not necessarily "L's"... just better ones for your particular needs and purposes. Generally speaking the lens makes far more difference to your images, than the camera it's used upon.

Case in point: A reasonably priced Canon 50/1.4 (bought used) on a 6MP, 12 bit EOS 10D. That camera cost $1999 in 2004... it was the first DSLR to sell for less than $2000! But I bet it wouldn't sell now for more than about $200.... Meanwhile, the lens would sell for more than I paid for it eight or nine years ago.

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Dec 05, 2011 10:45 as a reply to  @ amfoto1's post |  #14

Yeah that's true. I believe that too and have gotten fantastic photos out of my stuff so far.

I've also had the body for a year and as dumb as it sounds, want a physically bigger camera. I also want a more "professional" body. Something not so entry-level.


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Dec 05, 2011 10:53 |  #15

Well the question sounds like asking what the best Ferrari or Lambo? View on dpreview.com tests, and you will see that 99% of the cameras, 99% are about the same in terms of quality .Differences is only for body, functions and speed.If shoot jpeg you can take any DSLR, if you shoot RAW and then process them can make some choices ... but still is to have a camera and shoot! does not make picture camera, but the photographer! and say that after years of photo!


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