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Thread started 06 Dec 2011 (Tuesday) 18:40
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Paintball Practice- sports equipment questions too

 
KyletheVideographer
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Dec 06, 2011 18:40 |  #1
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This was my first time shooting paintball or anything this fast to be honest. I had a couple ideas to incorporate for the day that others weren't doing as much of in the industry which was shooting with a fish eye or that ultra wide look on some shots.

I posted a few of these photos in the critique section a few days ago but I actually have a lot of questions about formats and whats better shooting with what equipment for sports mainly and or possibly fast movements (cars)....etc.

I read that Jpeg is better for sports but then I have also read other opinions..so the other day:

I am shooting with a Canon 60D and I shot in a S2 format which is somewhat of a smaller Jpeg, but I was pondering in shooting RAW so I have more flexibility when editing, shooting numerous shots, in all honesty should I be concerned with the camera not being able to function fast enough past a certain amount of photos? Could I take 6 in a row without worry?

Also would a Full frame camera be better to shoot sports with than a crop camera in relation to higher ISO's with less noise....etc?

Also I know 70-300 is somewhat of a slower lens but I keep reading about how the 70-200 is more suitable, should I make the change and trade or should I just save up for that lens?

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Dec 06, 2011 20:47 |  #3

When im shooting PB I use a 1d mark II paired with my 70-200 2.8 or a 300 2.8. I shoot raw with this camera usually when im doing PB as well. As far as your 60D, Its up to you, i charge a good deal of money now days to go out and shoot PB since i have moved on to other sports that are paying me far more money. my 70-200 is my go to lens for most things, almost always on my 1d body.

Dont bother with full frame camera and sports, not a good proven combo due to the very slow FPS speeds. And most photographers like the 1.3 crop sensor on the 1D pro series cameras. But feel free to buy the 1Dx when its comes out, I know I am LOL...

ISO and paintball??? I would like to know why your concerned about that at all?? I usually shoot at ISO 100-400 depending on sunny days or stormy days with less light due to clouds. I think the highest I ever shoot paintball was at ISO 640 or 800, just because at the time I only had a 70-200 F4 and had to bump it up to keep my shutter over 1/800 to stop the action.

But after re reading it seems you use a 75-300 3.5-5.6 which in turn is why your using such HIGH ISO values. Go get yourself the 70-200 2.8L canon, you can get them used now days for about 800 bucks. It will fix your ISO issues and the auto focus will blow you aways!!!

Happy shooting...


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DJ Paris wrote in post #13505999 (external link)
When im shooting PB I use a 1d mark II paired with my 70-200 2.8 or a 300 2.8. I shoot raw with this camera usually when im doing PB as well. As far as your 60D, Its up to you, i charge a good deal of money now days to go out and shoot PB since i have moved on to other sports that are paying me far more money. my 70-200 is my go to lens for most things, almost always on my 1d body.

Dont bother with full frame camera and sports, not a good proven combo due to the very slow FPS speeds. And most photographers like the 1.3 crop sensor on the 1D pro series cameras. But feel free to buy the 1Dx when its comes out, I know I am LOL...

ISO and paintball??? I would like to know why your concerned about that at all?? I usually shoot at ISO 100-400 depending on sunny days or stormy days with less light due to clouds. I think the highest I ever shoot paintball was at ISO 640 or 800, just because at the time I only had a 70-200 F4 and had to bump it up to keep my shutter over 1/800 to stop the action.

But after re reading it seems you use a 75-300 3.5-5.6 which in turn is why your using such HIGH ISO values. Go get yourself the 70-200 2.8L canon, you can get them used now days for about 800 bucks. It will fix your ISO issues and the auto focus will blow you aways!!!

Happy shooting...


Is that 70-200 the IS or non IS version? Does it really make a huge difference? Is it a very heavy lense?

Exactly the answer I was looking for. Thanks so much.

Do you ever feel the 200mm doesn't reach out far enough for certain shots and what sports have you moved onto? any real life examples I can learn from? I am somewhat new to photography.




  
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Dec 06, 2011 23:22 |  #5

I really only do, or at least get paid for are sports and night clubs photos.

I have the NON-IS version. If your shooting sports or anything over 1/125 you don't need IS at all really. "IS" is a useless feature when shooting fast action sports or any kind. If anything the IS version is technically newer, so its a sharper copy. But I have used both and honesty see little to no difference in sharpness. Its a bit heavy, but its a lens you NEED!

Yes i do use a 300 during PB football and other large fields like that. But Iam lucky enough to have a couple of really good assts who I have cover the opposite side of the field im own, so its rarely needed, but always on hand :)

I love paintball and doing the photos, but there is little money in it at all. Teams are more interested in ripping you off or just wanting free photos. It was a stepping stone in my photo career that help me get where I am today :)

I have moved on to a lot of MMA Photography in the mid-west and several local and national projects as well. Unlike in paintball, the people/clients I work for/with are true professionals! Everything is handled and approached with pride and care, just the way i like to run my business.


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Dec 07, 2011 03:25 |  #6

Gary (owner of paintballphotography.c​om) shoots in full jpg. When i was in vegas for world cup, i found my self more in the 200, and 70... i wish i had the 28-300 just becuse you dont want to follow players arond and give them away. and the crop sensor gives you a extra 10 or 20mms on top of the lens so a 70mm wold really be like a 90mm.


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Dec 07, 2011 13:00 |  #7

Hi Kyle,

If this was the first time you have ever shoot paintball you are off to a really good start and it good to see my logo in a lot of your photos.

I have been shooting paintball all over the world for the past decade and here is my set up for a NPPL, PSP, Millennium, PALS or similar event
Two Canon 1D Mark IV Bodies, Canon 60D and a Canon 5D Mark II.
I use the following lenses depending upon conditions and who I am shooting for and what I am trying to accomplish.
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM my current favorite
EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM (only good in direct sunlight)
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (Just replaced the front element :( )
EF 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye
EF 8-15mm f/4L Fisheye
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L wide angle

IS in not really necessary and I always shoot Hi Res JPEG for on field action shots and usually RAW for off field portraits and atmosphere photos but this can change depending upon who I am working for. There is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting JPEG in fact I feel for sports it is the only way to get the high frames needed to catch those hard to get splat shots that the magazines always want.

Since I am one of the OGs in paintball photography I still do make money in the sport but it's not like it was a few years ago.

If you have any questions please PM or e-mail me ;)


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Dec 08, 2011 02:36 |  #8

oh and shoot in AV. :)


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Dec 08, 2011 16:33 |  #10

Watch your horizon, and the square crops.

As far as fisheyes and wide angle shots, they've been done before. You really shouldn't have to worry about ISO being high, chances are most of your shooting will be done under 400 ISO, with the exceptions of cloudy days, but those ISOs should still be very easy to handle. You don't really need IS either, since you want to keep your shutter speed above 1/500th or 1/640th to freeze action.

Shooting in RAW is a preference really, I know a few that do, and some that don't. It's up to you, and your work load.


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