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So I never considered the possibility that clients wouldn't come..

 
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Dec 08, 2011 08:25 |  #106
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the site is no longer the original theme..so there shouldn't be any thumbnails visible at all, and there should only be one gallery up, because this theme is making me add photos one post at a time.


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Dec 08, 2011 09:14 as a reply to  @ Shadow on the Door's post |  #107

TL;DR not going through 8 pages of BS.

I was in the same boat, more or less. You gotta hit the street, carry your gear around. People will ask if you're a photographer, hand them your card and done. There are thousands of photographers on Facebook and the Internet, but only a handful out on the street, from my experience.

Get out there and market yourself, not door to door. Socialize. I got my start in a bar and connected with the live music scene in the area and I have 3 bookings this Saturday, all paid. Then two more on Sunday. I'm almost at the point to where I need to quit my day job, which is good because I absolutely loathe working there.


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Dec 08, 2011 09:18 |  #108

8 pages of BS...........wow! well only 3 for those that change the default.....

if what you are saying has been said in the 8 other pages of BS isn't your response also?


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Dec 08, 2011 10:11 |  #109

Word of mouth is what will get you the most customers the quickest.

Once you work with Jane, upload her photo's onto facebook and tag her in them. It will pop up on her news feed and all her friends will see them. If her friends 'like' or comment on the picture, Jane's friend's friends will see a random comment they made on a picture and go check it out.
Soon, you'll have random people from all over the world randomly 'liking' your fan page.
Facebook is a wonderful tool if you utilize it correctly. :)


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Dec 08, 2011 11:47 |  #110

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TL;DR not going through 8 pages of BS.

I was in the same boat, more or less. You gotta hit the street, carry your gear around. People will ask if you're a photographer, hand them your card and done. There are thousands of photographers on Facebook and the Internet, but only a handful out on the street, from my experience.

Get out there and market yourself, not door to door. Socialize. I got my start in a bar and connected with the live music scene in the area and I have 3 bookings this Saturday, all paid. Then two more on Sunday. I'm almost at the point to where I need to quit my day job, which is good because I absolutely loathe working there.

I've already suggested this to the OP, and got poo-pooh'd. There's no substitute for human contact.

There was plenty of good advice on this particular thread, I'd hardly call it BS.


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Dec 08, 2011 13:26 |  #111

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Word of mouth is what will get you the most customers the quickest. ...

In that interview with Tyler Roemer that I posted, he says that he's really shy and doesn't like to talk about himself. So, he makes certain that he hangs out with people who are likely to know potential clients. If you don't like talking about yourself, at least make sure that other people are talking about you.


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Dec 08, 2011 23:43 as a reply to  @ cacawcacaw's post |  #112

okay, maybe it isn't BS but i've been in a ****ty mood lately. Lol

still, nothing beats human interaction. I don't even have a website yet and I'm getting work.


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Dec 09, 2011 05:49 |  #113

On the About Me page, it should be losing not loosing.


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Dec 09, 2011 18:05 |  #114
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Well guys, I made the first step, I contacted a local celebrity who made it to the top 10 on a season of "Canadian Idol" a few years ago and booked a TFP shoot, still not making money but this shoot will get a lot of attention, his manager will be looking at the pictures and will be keeping my card around pending the results which I'm confident in. I've made sure to tie up any loose ends with the release form and clarifying rights to make sure that nothing sketchy happens due to the high profile model..all in all I'm really happy to have this opportunity, this is exactly what my portfolio needs.


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Dec 09, 2011 18:31 |  #115

Shadow on the Door wrote in post #13520520 (external link)
Well guys, I made the first step, I contacted a local celebrity who made it to the top 10 on a season of "Canadian Idol" a few years ago and booked a TFP shoot, still not making money but this shoot will get a lot of attention, his manager will be looking at the pictures and will be keeping my card around pending the results which I'm confident in. I've made sure to tie up any loose ends with the release form and clarifying rights to make sure that nothing sketchy happens due to the high profile model..all in all I'm really happy to have this opportunity, this is exactly what my portfolio needs.

Nice going


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Dec 09, 2011 21:03 |  #116

When you DO give them the CD, my advice is to also give them an invoice with what you normally would charge - with the balance due being zero. That way, you can attach a value to you work.

For example, you charge $350.00 for headshots.

Give them an invoice outlining what's included with that - licensing, usage, studio time, photographer time, retouch fees, whatever that gets you to the figure of $350.00.

Then at the balance owed section, simply type "0.00" This way they know they don't owe you anything monetary wise, but they know what you charge should they decide to hire you in the future.


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Dec 09, 2011 21:14 |  #117

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When you DO give them the CD, my advice is to also give them an invoice with what you normally would charge - with the balance due being zero. That way, you can attach a value to you work.

For example, you charge $350.00 for headshots.

Give them an invoice outlining what's included with that - licensing, usage, studio time, photographer time, retouch fees, whatever that gets you to the figure of $350.00.

Then at the balance owed section, simply type "0.00" This way they know they don't owe you anything monetary wise, but they know what you charge should they decide to hire you in the future.

This is a good idea, although I handled it a bit differently. Since I did my first big "trade" shoot for a female small business owner - who had great insight into my targeted client population's spending habits - I struck up a conversation with her about how much she would expect to pay for the service I was providing. It's a little risky doing it this way because they can obviously float a really low figure, but I sensed that she was generally aware of the value of my time and skill.

It was a very enlightening conversation, to say the least. She told me that anything in her clothing store priced under $200 sells like hotcakes. The stuff over $200 still sells, but at a much lower volume. The critical point I took away was that the people who bought the expensive items were identified as her most loyal and consistent customers. I've been chewing on that information ever since. That's the kind of information you don't get unless you ask - handing over an invoice with a zero balance is not going to do it.

Although in the end I think since you're dealing with a quasi-celebrity and his agent you would probably be better served by the simple invoice route. I just mentioned my experience for whatever collateral knowledge it might provide.




  
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Dec 09, 2011 21:20 |  #118
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Thanks for the tip, I never would have thought of that. How are you guys liking my site development so far? I have my portfolio images up, just have to add my non portfolio galleries now and possibly get a portrait of myself taken for my about me page. Can anyone think of a way that I can add more visual appeal to my price page? simple text on an empty page seems a bit bland to me.


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Dec 09, 2011 21:24 |  #119

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Thanks for the tip, I never would have thought of that. How are you guys liking my site development so far? I have my portfolio images up, just have to add my non portfolio galleries now and possibly get a portrait of myself taken for my about me page. Can anyone think of a way that I can add more visual appeal to my price page? simple text on an empty page seems a bit bland to me.

On the price page, maybe a double space between items and also maybe a font change, something like Futura or another very clean, sans serif font.


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Good idea on the font change, I'll go through my font book and find something suitable. I was thinking more along the lines of images, just something to boost the page a bit.


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