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Basketball new lens: 24-70mm or 70-200mm

 
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Dec 05, 2011 11:37 |  #1

I am shooting high school and junior high basketball with a 7d. I am currently using my 85mm f/1.8 lens. I would like to add either the 24-70mm L or 70-200 f/2.8. Any recommendation on which way to go? I usually shoot from the baseline between the edge of the key and the three point line.

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Dec 05, 2011 13:17 |  #2

Hi Phil:

I shot 3 years of HS basketball. Two seasons with a 7D. Honestly, the 70-200 f/2.8L IS came out of the bag exactly ONCE. There just isn't enough light in most HS gyms to shoot at f/2.8, unless you want to go to 6400 on the ISO setting.

My experience says bad gyms are f/2, 1/640 and ISO 3200. The BEST lit HS gyms are f/2, 1/640 and ISO 1600-2500. I liked to stay there whenever possible.

That said, my 2 lens choices from your exact shooting angle were the 85mm f/1.8 and a 50mm f/1.4. The 50 got the wider shots, the 85 was great for tighter shots. Plus, I didn't like the idea of having to track action, zoom a lens in and out ... the action moves too quickly. Best to 'right-size' your lenses, get the shots that fit one lens and change to another if you want different looks.

OTOH, if we were shooting at venues with much better lighting, either of your lens choices would work well. Look at any college or NBA game--you see 70-200 lenses all over the place! But working at the HS level, ya gotta bring and learn to use what works!

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Dec 05, 2011 14:58 as a reply to  @ snyderman's post |  #3

High school basketball pictures from a Canon 60D and a Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 EX II lens.

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Focal Length: 110.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
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Focal Length: 70.0mm
Aperture: f/2.8
Exposure Time: 0.0020 s (1/500)
ISO equiv: 3200
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB

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Focal Length: 200.0mm
Aperture: f/4.0
Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400)
ISO equiv: 6400
Exposure Bias: none
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual
White Balance: Auto
Flash Fired: No (enforced)
Orientation: Normal
Color Space: sRGB


The above images were processed through Imagenomic Noiseware.

The 70-200mm lens is a versatile unit that is frequently used as the only lens for basketball. The equipment was very useful at these high school gyms and many other similar locations.



  
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Dec 05, 2011 15:48 |  #4

I agree with Dave.If your shooting with a cropper then get the 135F2.Sharp as hell and a stop faster then the 70-200.The 85f1.8 is also good if your on a budget, but for me 135L all the way.


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Dec 05, 2011 18:02 |  #5

Thanks guys. The 85mm seems a bit too tight when the action is right on the baseline in front of me.
In our home gym I was shooting f2.8, 1/500, iso 2000 on saturday and I was pretty happy with the results. Granted our gym is one of the newer ones in the area.




  
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Dec 06, 2011 06:09 |  #6

motownk wrote in post #13500024 (external link)
Thanks guys. The 85mm seems a bit too tight when the action is right on the baseline in front of me.
In our home gym I was shooting f2.8, 1/500, iso 2000 on saturday and I was pretty happy with the results. Granted our gym is one of the newer ones in the area.

You can get good shots with the 85 and the 70-200 when setup behind the baseline, but it will not be full body shots at the basket...unless you are setting at the corner. I'll use the 24-70 behind the back court for at least one quarter and sit near the free throw line. When I sit further out near the corner I'll switch to the 70-200. And OT...but since I shoot with strobes I'm thinking of picking up the 24-105 f/4 this winter as well. The IQ of the 24-70 is good enough I can crop in enough to get keepers once the player has crossed the half court line. So it is very doable. And being where you usally setup, the 24-70 is probably the better FL.

But with that all said...the 70-200 may be a better fit for you as I'll open up more of the court for you and you can get some really great shots from the corner or even on the side lines as well. Don't limit yourself to sitting in just one spot.

Here is a shot of a dunk I got at a JV game last week. I was setup just a little further towards the side line then where I think you typcaill sit:

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Not really a good shot as you can not really see the ball. Now if I was sitting on the side line, it would have improved this shot from being just blah to being a wow shot. :( This was shot with a Mk IV with a 70-200 at 80mm. Point is...each spot has it's advantages, and I like to mix it up each game. Last thing I want to hear from an editor is, "Can you get us some different angles?" I'd rather give them something different before they have to ask. ;-)a The 70-200 will give you that additional opportunity.

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Dec 07, 2011 15:17 |  #7

motownk wrote in post #13500024 (external link)
Thanks guys. The 85mm seems a bit too tight when the action is right on the baseline in front of me.
In our home gym I was shooting f2.8, 1/500, iso 2000 on saturday and I was pretty happy with the results. Granted our gym is one of the newer ones in the area.

Phil,
I guess you are using just one body..?? do you shoot other sports where you might need the 24-70mm and/or 70-200mm..??
I use the 7D, the 135 f2 & 85 1.8. I also use the Sigma 30mm for those inside baseline shots.. nice under the basket too.

I am also tyring out on a second body and remote setup with the sigma 30 on the floor near me and the 7d 85 combo hand held... still testing and playing...hey its digital files....lol plenty to delet...lol

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Dec 07, 2011 19:36 |  #8

Hi Joe,
Yes, I am using one body for now. I got the camera to start capturing my sons games basketball, soccer, baseball. I shot varsity basketball last season because my nephew was playing. I've had a few parents ask for prints.
Shooting sports photos full time would be a dream gig for me. At this point if I can sell a few shots and help fund the hobby that will be nice too.




  
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Dec 07, 2011 20:13 as a reply to  @ motownk's post |  #9

This is my 2nd season of shooting (free) HS/AAU and Youth BB with my 85 - it works well.

But I can occasionally get right under the basket during warm-ups and then I can shoot my 28... it's still a little wide, but a little cropping solves that. The moms like the warm-up shots cuz it shows only their boy in a good action position. 28 is also good for shooting team photos - I shoot a couple serious shots then tell the boys to go weird and take a few more... I think the weird ones end up on facebook. Here's one I use for my PC screen <link (external link)>

I've been looking at the 200/2.8... relatively small, light, and black, don't need a tripod. There are some games where I can't get on the court, so something tighter than the 85 would be a help. (just trying to talk myself into it...$$$)


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Dec 07, 2011 20:46 |  #10

snyderman wrote in post #13498611 (external link)
My experience says bad gyms are f/2, 1/640 and ISO 3200. The BEST lit HS gyms are f/2, 1/640 and ISO 1600-2500. I liked to stay there whenever possible.

My old high school's lighting must have been brilliant (no pun intended) because I could hit f/2.8, 1/500 with ISO 800 from the centerline and ISO 1600 from under and behind the hoops easy. Oh how I miss being the yearbook photographer. Those were the days.


OP, I would go with the 24-70, I personally always felt the field of view with the 70-200 on my XT was way too tight. That being said, loads of other people's comments on many other threads have praised the 85 1.8 for its focal length and focusing speed. I've just never used it to form an opinion, so your mileage may vary.


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Dec 07, 2011 21:23 |  #11

motownk,
get both.. but if you are a budget, you might want to look at the Tamron 17-50 2.8 and canon 70-200 2.8is ver 1.
these shots below was with the Sigma 30 1.4..with a little PP and cropping.
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Dec 07, 2011 21:29 |  #12

Yah, the 85's focusing speed is amazing - I've gotten many shots by just turning to the action with the shutter button half down and clicking as soon as I see the ball. Of course I do get a few focused on in-between bodies; when the action is fast, can't help that even using spot focus.

Nice shot Joe. Notice that with the lower FL's you get more background detail.


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Dec 08, 2011 18:45 |  #13

Taken with 50D and 70-200 from corner baseline:
ISO 3200, 1/500, f/2.8
Typical HS gym....


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Dec 11, 2011 17:09 |  #14

For our high school games I use a Sigma 50 1.4. In our gym it's ISO 3200 f2.2 and 1/500. That keeps everything well exposed and allows me to shoot straight under the goal. If I have to shoot a corner then I use the 85 1.8.


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For our high school games I use a Sigma 50 1.4. In our gym it's ISO 3200 f2.2 and 1/500. That keeps everything well exposed and allows me to shoot straight under the goal. If I have to shoot a corner then I use the 85 1.8.

Have you shot from the corner & cropped with your 50 ? How were your results?


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