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I Use Manual Setting ALL The Time: Am I alone?

 
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Dec 13, 2011 11:47 |  #121

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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! With one thread huh!?! Lol!!!! Is dpreview suppose to be a pretty good forum?

Unfortunately, no, it's referring to sinking to their level, not rising to it.


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Dec 13, 2011 11:49 |  #122

lungdoc wrote in post #13538247 (external link)
Unfortunately, no, it's referring to sinking to their level, not rising to it.

Even funnier!


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Dec 13, 2011 12:00 |  #123

lacksfocus............​...what!!!!!
I totally enjoy your sense of humour.


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Dec 13, 2011 12:00 |  #124

God I love POTN...........oh wait....should I say like higher power or God of one's understanding?


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Dec 13, 2011 12:07 |  #125

Suddie1215 wrote in post #13538036 (external link)
DAMphyne wrote in post #13537925 (external link)
It was a "Manual Purist" that called everybody else Stupid. Maybe you got the sides mixed up?


I don't recall seeing that statement but if it was made nothing that has been subsequently said disproves that claim.


Thanks for proving my point. Why do you care how anyone else shoots.

More to the point, why do you care so much? Going by your first comment above, in response to the "everybody who doesn't shoot M is stupid" comment, we can assume that you feel the same way. How can you say that nothing has been said to disprove that?

The only people on the defensive in this thread are some of those, like yourself, who only use M and those are the ones throwing terms like "stupid" around. Those of us who use Av and Tv, along with M, have simply explained why we do so and answered questions about how it gives just as much control over the camera settings as M. If you had bothered to read the thread you might have seen how Av / Tv modes allow you to choose your settings, adjust exposure levels away from the metered reading and also switch your preferred parameter in the case of a sudden change in lighting, in exactly the way you would do yourself in M but quicker and without taking your attention away from the action.

None of "us" have attacked the M purists, most of us use M a lot of the time anyway, but will also use Av or Tv when conditions make it a better option (in our opinion). Not everybody shoots in those conditions, with fast action that doesn't allow time for fiddling with exposure changes every minute or so, and so full time M is, of course, a perfectly good option for them.

Using all the creative tools on the camera, whilst still maintaining full control over settings and exposure is not "stupid", it is just choosing to use more of the available tools than you do. Your way is not wrong, "our" way is not stupid.

I personally find that when a discussion boils down to one side giving reasonable explanations and the other side going "yeah, but your stupid for not doing it our way" rather than giving a reasoned, rational reply, then the side resorting to name calling is usually the one with the weaker argument.

Personally, I have no issue with manual only users, I use manual myself quite a lot of the time (depending on what I am shooting). I choose to also use Av and Tv when I feel that they are more suitable for the scenario I am shooting in, but that is simply my choice and does not make me right, wrong - or stupid. Most Av / Tv users in this thread, also use M when they feel it is more appropriate.

By all means feel free to come up with some reasoned response as to why we are stupid, I would love to know. If you can't, then please refrain from simply using the tactics of a 6 year old, trying to win an argument by name calling.




  
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Dec 13, 2011 12:56 |  #126

I use P when I just need some kind of quick snapshots and/or using ETTL flash.

I use Av for outside portraits where I care more about the DOF and the lighting conditions are always changing.

I use Tv for events where I care more about non-blurry photos and the subjects are moving.

I use M for inside studio shoots where the lights are under total control and never change.


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Dec 13, 2011 13:14 |  #127

The best mode is the one that gets the shot


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Dec 13, 2011 13:25 |  #128

ching wrote in post #13538780 (external link)
I put the dial in-between M and Av...it gives me full control exactly half the time!


that used to work with the old Stratocasters before they changed from the three way to the five way switch


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Dec 13, 2011 13:39 |  #129

tdon187 wrote in post #13538749 (external link)
The best mode is the one that gets the shot

Amen




  
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Dec 13, 2011 13:52 |  #130

When are you going to realize your logical, well-reasoned arguments aren't wanted here!? ;)

Great post BTW.

sandpiper wrote in post #13538372 (external link)
More to the point, why do you care so much? Going by your first comment above, in response to the "everybody who doesn't shoot M is stupid" comment, we can assume that you feel the same way. How can you say that nothing has been said to disprove that?

The only people on the defensive in this thread are some of those, like yourself, who only use M and those are the ones throwing terms like "stupid" around. Those of us who use Av and Tv, along with M, have simply explained why we do so and answered questions about how it gives just as much control over the camera settings as M. If you had bothered to read the thread you might have seen how Av / Tv modes allow you to choose your settings, adjust exposure levels away from the metered reading and also switch your preferred parameter in the case of a sudden change in lighting, in exactly the way you would do yourself in M but quicker and without taking your attention away from the action.

None of "us" have attacked the M purists, most of us use M a lot of the time anyway, but will also use Av or Tv when conditions make it a better option (in our opinion). Not everybody shoots in those conditions, with fast action that doesn't allow time for fiddling with exposure changes every minute or so, and so full time M is, of course, a perfectly good option for them.

Using all the creative tools on the camera, whilst still maintaining full control over settings and exposure is not "stupid", it is just choosing to use more of the available tools than you do. Your way is not wrong, "our" way is not stupid.

I personally find that when a discussion boils down to one side giving reasonable explanations and the other side going "yeah, but your stupid for not doing it our way" rather than giving a reasoned, rational reply, then the side resorting to name calling is usually the one with the weaker argument.

Personally, I have no issue with manual only users, I use manual myself quite a lot of the time (depending on what I am shooting). I choose to also use Av and Tv when I feel that they are more suitable for the scenario I am shooting in, but that is simply my choice and does not make me right, wrong - or stupid. Most Av / Tv users in this thread, also use M when they feel it is more appropriate.

By all means feel free to come up with some reasoned response as to why we are stupid, I would love to know. If you can't, then please refrain from simply using the tactics of a 6 year old, trying to win an argument by name calling.


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Dec 13, 2011 15:31 |  #131

Suddie1215 wrote in post #13538036 (external link)
I don't recall seeing that statement but if it was made nothing that has been subsequently said disproves that claim.

It always helps to read the text in a thread. That statement was quoted 2 times and you still didn't see it?
The content of your post proves that.
Perhaps you can point out where I dissed 'Manual only' shooters. If you can't, then I'll put you in the same round file that know-it-alls belong.


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Dec 13, 2011 18:13 |  #132

Todd Lambert wrote in post #13533783 (external link)
I'm so cool that I only shoot in Bulb.

I don't like the camera controlling me and I like being able to choose 31.63 seconds of exposure when I need it.

;-)a

I lolled.


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Dec 13, 2011 18:43 |  #133

Preeb wrote in post #13532606 (external link)
I don't use M very much. I suppose that I should try, since it isn't that difficult unless the light is changing a lot, but I haven't found a real need for it yet. Av And Tv seem cover most of my shooting needs. When I need a little compensation, then the camera has that too, without switching to manual. It was easier overall on my old Minolta SRT-102; I'd love to have that simple match needle system available as a mode in a dSLR.

My problem with my T1i is that the viewfinder display simply won't stay powered for more than about 5 seconds when I take my finger off the shutter. I can't find any setting to change that either. Lots of settings for the LCD display, but nothing for the viewfinder.

The Minolta SRT-102..... That was my favorite.




  
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Dec 13, 2011 18:46 |  #134

Suddie1215 wrote in post #13537902 (external link)
I've always thought that atheists and animal rights people were two of the most obnoxious groups of people I could ever encounter.

Atheists obnoxious? We don't go around knocking on people's doors, or happily tell people how we're "saved" now.


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Dec 13, 2011 19:05 |  #135

Tiberius47 wrote in post #13540479 (external link)
Atheists obnoxious? We don't go around knocking on people's doors, or happily tell people how we're "saved" now.

bw!

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