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580 ex & Einsteins - help

 
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Dec 14, 2011 08:16 |  #1

Trying to use the 580exII as a rear light, for a "hair light", along with two Einsteins.

Can it be done?

The instr. book confuses the hell out of me. :(

Sure could use some lamens terms on 7D flash setup.

Thanks in advance if you can help.


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Dec 14, 2011 08:20 |  #2

Yes, it can be done, I am not sure about the 7D issue. Are you using the Buff wireless trigger?


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Dec 14, 2011 08:26 |  #3

dano57 wrote in post #13543093 (external link)
Yes, it can be done, I am not sure about the 7D issue. Are you using the Buff wireless trigger?

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Dec 14, 2011 08:29 |  #4

I've done this without issue. I do use a CSRB on the speedlite too. What problem are you experiencing?


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Dec 14, 2011 08:44 as a reply to  @ Lori Putman's post |  #5

The 580 isn't working with the PCBs.

Tried every configuration using the Einsteins, Cyber commander & 7D's wireless setup. .... still, no 580 pop ...


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Dec 14, 2011 08:50 |  #6

You are going to have to have a wireless trigger on the 580. You are not going to be able to mix the 7D flash command system with the Buff optical triggers. And the 580 does not have a dumb optical trigger in it. It only works with the Canon proprietary flash command system.

It would help if you listed your setup instead of saying you have tried them all. We do not know what "them all" means to you.



  
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Dec 14, 2011 09:07 |  #7

dedsen wrote in post #13543208 (external link)
You are going to have to have a wireless trigger on the 580. You are not going to be able to mix the 7D flash command system with the Buff optical triggers. And the 580 does not have a dumb optical trigger in it. It only works with the Canon proprietary flash command system.

It would help if you listed your setup instead of saying you have tried them all. We do not know what "them all" means to you.

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I think not having the wireless trigger on the 580 is my problem.

I thought I could fire the 580 wireless like when using the pop-up flash. I guess the pop-up flash needs to be "popped-up"?
I was just hoping that if the camera settings were set for wireless ... & there was something occupying the hot shoe with a pop, the wireless function on the 7D/580 would work.

I wouldn't have posted this had I had more time to research.
Doing a shoot this evening. Might try a LED video light on a stand behind the subject for the highlights.

I have a lot to learn. Thanks for your help everyone.


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Dec 14, 2011 13:25 |  #8

Mark II wrote in post #13543288 (external link)
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I think not having the wireless trigger on the 580 is my problem.

I thought I could fire the 580 wireless like when using the pop-up flash. I guess the pop-up flash needs to be "popped-up"?
I was just hoping that if the camera settings were set for wireless ... & there was something occupying the hot shoe with a pop, the wireless function on the 7D/580 would work.

I wouldn't have posted this had I had more time to research.
Doing a shoot this evening. Might try a LED video light on a stand behind the subject for the highlights.

I have a lot to learn. Thanks for your help everyone.

Yes it does. I bought an optical trigger for 10.00 for my hairlight strobe. 7D settings need to be off of "ettl" and set to manual if you use the wireless function. If the hotshoe is occupied and using other type triggers, I can't help you yet, good luck, I'll be in the same vote soon.


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Dec 14, 2011 15:02 as a reply to  @ Grumpy_one's post |  #9

Use the 580 wireless and have the flash from the 580 trigger the einsteins and bypass the cybercommander. It should work fine that way. But you will have to make all your adjustments manually at the lights. Other than that your best option is to just buy a wireless trigger for your 580 from PCB.




  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:05 |  #10

Does the Einstein have the ability to ignore all the pre-flashes and fire with the main flash? If not, this will not work.



  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:05 |  #11

kory wrote in post #13545057 (external link)
Use the 580 wireless and have the flash from the 580 trigger the einsteins and bypass the cybercommander. It should work fine that way. But you will have to make all your adjustments manually at the lights. Other than that your best option is to just buy a wireless trigger for your 580 from PCB.

If you are using the canon wireless system, either a built in flash controller or master flash, the preflash will cause the studio strobes to fire prematurely.




  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:10 |  #12

gonzogolf wrote in post #13545066 (external link)
If you are using the canon wireless system, either a built in flash controller or master flash, the preflash will cause the studio strobes to fire prematurely.

Can't you just put it in non ETTL mode and turn of the preflash metering? Maybe that isn't possible?




  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:13 |  #13

kory wrote in post #13545089 (external link)
Can't you just put it in non ETTL mode and turn of the preflash metering? Maybe that isn't possible?

If you turn off the preflash, then it ceases to serve as a master, the preflash is how it masters. If you mean to trigger the strobes sure, that would work, but it doesnt communicate with the remote speedlite serving as a hairlight.




  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:15 |  #14

gonzogolf wrote in post #13545103 (external link)
If you turn off the preflash, then it ceases to serve as a master, the preflash is how it masters. If you mean to trigger the strobes sure, that would work, but it doesnt communicate with the remote speedlite serving as a hairlight.

Cool you learn something new every day. I wasn't aware that preflash was necessary for triggering. I thought that was just done for metering to get the correct exposure.




  
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Dec 14, 2011 15:52 |  #15

You might be able to use the pop-up flash if you hit the FEC lock button on camera which will fire your strobes, wait for the strobes to recycle then fire the shot.




  
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