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Dec 15, 2011 22:45 |  #1

Just some fun shots I took with friends.
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Dec 16, 2011 07:16 |  #2

Your "looking down" perspectives are not very flattering.


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Dec 16, 2011 09:13 as a reply to  @ chauncey's post |  #3

^+ Forcing subjects to look up at you seldom leads to keepers. Get down to your subject's level. This is something that every paper snapping pictures of their kids should be taught.


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Dec 17, 2011 08:18 |  #4

I might add that in the second photo there's a tad bit too much contrast and saturation. You can tell this because the mulch on the ground should not have a magenta tint.


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Dec 18, 2011 00:13 |  #5

joedlh wrote in post #13553937 (external link)
^+ Forcing subjects to look up at you seldom leads to keepers. Get down to your subject's level. This is something that every paper snapping pictures of their kids should be taught.

You are quite wrong with this statement. The looking down approach is well documented as a good technique, however, the composition and posing needs to be addressed in every case. The hand with a wrist bent like it's broken pose ruins the entire pose, not the angle of view. And to add to the problem, the head of the subject should have been angled instead of being straight up and down. The worst that can be said ofthis image is... it's cropped wrong. This blanket statement about angle of view from above is not fundamentally sound.


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Dec 19, 2011 11:36 |  #6

DMPRO78 wrote in post #13561762 (external link)
The looking down approach is well documented as a good technique,

References, please, for some of those documents.

I've been a photographer for decades. I've never seen anyone having any authoritative knowledge recommend look-down shots. And I've seldom seen any such shots that were flattering to the subject. I stand by my statement that it's a fundamental error in technical judgment.


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Dec 19, 2011 17:15 |  #7

It's the newest style.
The same perspective as a self portrait with a cell phone.
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Dec 19, 2011 17:51 |  #8

joedlh wrote in post #13553937 (external link)
^+ Forcing subjects to look up at you seldom leads to keepers. Get down to your subject's level. This is something that every paper snapping pictures of their kids should be taught.

I find this interesting Joe. I read some portrait guru - sorry but his name escapes me, so no reference ;) - stating that females looking up made the whites of the eyes bigger, and as such, is generally considered attractive (in females). I tried this with quite pleasing effect on a recent shoot (standing on a chair).

I'm not challenging you on this mate as I generally read anything you've got to say with interest and genuinely respect your views on here as one of the most knowledgeable members. Just interested to hear your views on that.


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Dec 19, 2011 18:31 as a reply to  @ JimMcrae's post |  #9

In t his particular case, I'll grant you this. Nevertheless, a common "error" is parents taking pictures of their kids. They stand over them and shoot down on them. The common advice is to "get down to their level". Asking a subject to crane his or her neck to look up at the camera is an awkward and tiring pose and it comes across in the image. Perhaps we're talking about two different techniques or perhaps a matter of degree.


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Dec 20, 2011 03:49 |  #10

joedlh wrote in post #13570655 (external link)
In t his particular case, I'll grant you this. Nevertheless, a common "error" is parents taking pictures of their kids. They stand over them and shoot down on them. The common advice is to "get down to their level". Asking a subject to crane his or her neck to look up at the camera is an awkward and tiring pose and it comes across in the image. Perhaps we're talking about two different techniques or perhaps a matter of degree.

Yup, I'm with you on that and all makes sense. The shots I took standing up on the chair looked a bit weird, but on crouching, much better, so that's a matter of "degree"... and with being only slightly above her, she didn't need to crane her neck... although I wasn't particularly comfortable! :) Cheers Joe.


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Dec 20, 2011 09:47 |  #11

I really like the lighting in the first shot! I think your focus and composition are spot on as well. The angle of the subject meeting with the railing make the eye move through the photo! This makes for a nice asymmetrical portrait with visual interest. While not being the most flattering angle to shoot people from, I do think it makes for an interesting perspective! As for number two......aaaa.....I just don't like it ......sorry.


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Dec 20, 2011 10:24 |  #12

joedlh wrote in post #13568432 (external link)
References, please, for some of those documents.

I've been a photographer for decades. I've never seen anyone having any authoritative knowledge recommend look-down shots. And I've seldom seen any such shots that were flattering to the subject. I stand by my statement that it's a fundamental error in technical judgment.

I'm not sure is was for people, in particular, but Bryan Peterson mentions grabbing a ladder all the time, and that he loves shooting down. Even rented a helicopter on a hunch, for a straight-down shot.


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Dec 29, 2011 19:38 |  #13

so I quite like the 2nd one. If I am doing a series of shots, I like to include one from this angle, especially in little kids as it really focuses on the eyes. Now I am not saying include all your portoilo with these.

Nothing wrong with adding something a little different.


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