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Dec 20, 2011 14:22 |  #46

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So how much would it cost to get the photographer with actual wedding photography skills to use the gear? :lol:

It depends, but if we should put a standard price then i think somewhere $800-1500 will be a good start, if someone accept to get less fine it is up to him/her, but i am sure there are others will ask more than $1500 for some reasons, i do shoot football and they pay me now only about $100 for each game home [not away], i see it very very low but i accepted because the stadium is just near my house not far and the match is almost 90-95minutes and i don't need to worry about moments or many actions, i focus on players and few people around and i don't run or walk around too much.


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Dec 20, 2011 14:35 |  #47

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I get all of that. If they don't pay you what you want, don't do the job. But taking less money and doing a half-way job is ridiculous.

You should always strive to do you best....if you feel you are going to be underpaid, just don't do the shoot.


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Dec 20, 2011 14:38 |  #48

I think Tareq is just having a little gear list fun ;).

Tareq, where have you been hanging out lately?


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Dec 20, 2011 14:48 |  #49

If it were my wedding... APS-C or 35mm sensor wouldn't matter to me, but you better know what you're doing.

Bottom line is how the photos turn out.


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Dec 20, 2011 14:49 |  #50

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I get all of that. If they don't pay you what you want, don't do the job. But taking less money and doing a half-way job is ridiculous.

You should always strive to do you best....if you feel you are going to be underpaid, just don't do the shoot.

I didn;t say to do half job, but i mean don't make at your best and work so hard, i am able to have 200-1000 shots with my 350D and kit lens, maybe I can get something nice even with this combo who knows, still 10-22 and 50 1.8 are amazing lenses, i was talking about gear more, and about skill i didn't say shoot lazy or don't shoot with standard proper settings, but i was meaning to not make it so hard on yourself if you get paid less, i may focus on the important moments and avoid many sides shots, the OP himself/herself was commenting about the photographer gear, why is that matter of the bride/groom then?


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Dec 20, 2011 14:52 |  #51

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I think Tareq is just having a little gear list fun ;).

Tareq, where have you been hanging out lately?

It is, all people telling me to start business with my gear and they forgot as i did that any business in my country need enough money to start, free or very low business will not make me anywhere far, i regret that i spent a lot too much money on gear and didn't save enough for starting business, so all what i do now is just shoot football almost every week when i am in mood, and jointing some groups here and there for meet up and working on getting more public relations that may help me in my future, talked with one person and he is willing to do an exhibition for me with some other photographers to help us to be known if possible.


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Dec 20, 2011 14:58 |  #52

Tareq wrote in post #13574909 (external link)
I didn;t say to do half job, but i mean don't make at your best and work so hard, i am able to have 200-1000 shots with my 350D and kit lens, maybe I can get something nice even with this combo who knows, still 10-22 and 50 1.8 are amazing lenses, i was talking about gear more, and about skill i didn't say shoot lazy or don't shoot with standard proper settings, but i was meaning to not make it so hard on yourself if you get paid less, i may focus on the important moments and avoid many sides shots, the OP himself/herself was commenting about the photographer gear, why is that matter of the bride/groom then?

Hmm. I'm not meaning to be rude here, but I am curious: Since you are speaking "more about gear," does shooting with your high-end gear make it harder on you than shooting with your lower-end gear? Do you lose money when you shoot with your high-end gear vs your lower-end gear?


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Dec 20, 2011 15:23 |  #53

Tareq wrote in post #13574909 (external link)
I didn;t say to do half job, but i mean don't make at your best and work so hard, i am able to have 200-1000 shots with my 350D and kit lens, maybe I can get something nice even with this combo who knows, still 10-22 and 50 1.8 are amazing lenses, i was talking about gear more, and about skill i didn't say shoot lazy or don't shoot with standard proper settings, but i was meaning to not make it so hard on yourself if you get paid less, i may focus on the important moments and avoid many sides shots, the OP himself/herself was commenting about the photographer gear, why is that matter of the bride/groom then?

If you know anything about the wedding photography industry, you'll know that there are a bunch of "photographers" out there shooting weddings on the cheap with the camera and lens they bought at their local Best Buy, thinking it's easy money. So when the whole thing about the crop camera and kit lens comes up, right or wrong, that immediately raises a red flag. Of course none of know what the situation is. The photos may very well turn out fine. So all of this is pure speculation.

From a photographer's standpoint, you always have a choice whether to accept a job or not. So the whole getting paid less and not making hard for yourself is a moot point. You either accept the job, and do the best you can, or don't do it at all.




  
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Dec 20, 2011 15:33 |  #54

Sure i should or must do my best, but that doesn't mean i will always accept low prices, i may accept at beginning or if i started out, but later on if they keep at low price then definitely i will reject, otherwise if they ask me too much as look-like force for low price then i am not willing to do it at my best, they can find others who can work at best if they can find, if not then it is not my problem, i can go and work for others who willing to pay more and understand my job, 2 companies asked me to do photoshoot for something for them, one asked me for free, the other asked me for very low price, i rejected both of them, later on i heard that they used some photographers, one did for free and i don't know what gear he used, and the other he did with money and they paid him about 6x times of what they asked me to do, he forced them the price, i asked them more but less than what he asked them and they rejected, so i rejected them, good they get punished to pay more for another one who asked more, it will not make me to feel sad or bad i lost them, i can find others who will ask me and give me good price, i don't ask too much but also not too low.


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Dec 20, 2011 15:39 |  #55

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Sure i should or must do my best, but that doesn't mean i will always accept low prices, i may accept at beginning or if i started out, but later on if they keep at low price then definitely i will reject, otherwise if they ask me too much as look-like force for low price then i am not willing to do it at my best, they can find others who can work at best if they can find, if not then it is not my problem, i can go and work for others who willing to pay more and understand my job, 2 companies asked me to do photoshoot for something for them, one asked me for free, the other asked me for very low price, i rejected both of them, later on i heard that they used some photographers, one did for free and i don't know what gear he used, and the other he did with money and they paid him about 6x times of what they asked me to do, he forced them the price, i asked them more but less than what he asked them and they rejected, so i rejected them, good they punished to pay more for another one who asked more, it will not make me to feel sad or bad i lost them, i can find others who will ask me and give me good price, i don't ask too much but also not too low.

Maybe they felt you weren't worth that much and the other photographer was.

Also, that's what a contract is for. To specifically list out the responsibilities of the photographer.

But I think it's a terrible idea to accept a job and just because it's not paying as much as you would like it to, to use inferior gear, not make an all out effort and just do the minimally required work.

When I accept a job, it's usually on my terms, and I do the best job I can with whatever gear that will get the job done.




  
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Dec 20, 2011 15:50 |  #56

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Maybe they felt you weren't worth that much and the other photographer was.

Also, that's what a contract is for. To specifically list out the responsibilities of the photographer.

But I think it's a terrible idea to accept a job and just because it's not paying as much as you would like it to, to use inferior gear, not make an all out effort and just do the minimally required work.

When I accept a job, it's usually on my terms, and I do the best job I can with whatever gear that will get the job done.

Good for you!

Well, i ask them for the price before and i can reject from beginning before i accept it, if the price is good i will do my best always and use my best gear if it will help and save time/effort or whatever, if the price is say not that much good but acceptable then i can take the job and do my best for a reason to make my portfolio better, for example to shoot fashion or commercial, but if they ask me to shoot sports or landscapes for low prices then definitely i will reject because i know i do great and have experience in those two fields, it doesn't matter if that will affect the business, i just reject f they offer me less price, i ask this before or state that before i take the job, some willing to pay you even more than what you ask, also depends on other factors, gear i tend to use my best used to working gear than just old dust-collected gear because of low price, i know some accept the job in the beginning for low prices but then they reject to do it again even for second time, because they were expected to get paid well, and some using photographers who don't know about the rules or basics and have not good shots and all are complaining, it may work different in your country, here it is different.


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Dec 20, 2011 15:54 |  #57

They ever give you the photos yet? LOL


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Dec 21, 2011 04:39 |  #58

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Can't wait to see!

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Dec 21, 2011 06:23 |  #59

You got married?
But a wife will distract you from your photography time.

And also a wife doesn't usually understand your need for new gear!

Big mistake.............:D;)

Kidding.

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Dec 21, 2011 07:51 as a reply to  @ guntoter's post |  #60

You are providing a service, just like any other trade, If you accept the contract you always do it to your best ability as word of mouth is the most powerful tool of all ! An unsatisfied customer has the ability to do a lot of harm. IMO


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