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Dec 21, 2011 07:07 |  #1

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I would like to get a manual aperture lense for use on my 1dmk4. Can anyone reccommend anything? Not really interested in older lenses m42etc am after something more modern.
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Dec 21, 2011 07:24 |  #2

What do you want to do with it, and why manual aperture?


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Dec 21, 2011 07:37 |  #3

The EOS systems was designed for automatic (ie, non-manual) aperture selection. You're not going to find very many modern lenses (if any) that require the user to physically move part of the lens to change the aperture.

If you're looking for manual aperture lenses, you're almost by default going to be looking at older (ie m42, contax/yashica, etc..) lenses. There are quite a number of older non-EF mount lenses that rival their current, automatic peers in IQ. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's a bad lens.


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Dec 21, 2011 08:06 |  #4

How about the zeiss primes? those all have manual aperture.




  
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Dec 21, 2011 08:15 |  #5

M coop wrote in post #13578297 (external link)
How about the zeiss primes? those all have manual aperture.

THe new Zeiss Primes (ZE mount) do not have manual aperture rings. Aperture is set within the camera. The older Zeiss lenses have manual aperture rings. Don't forget Samyang though. Great lenses, great price and manual everything (including aperture).


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Dec 21, 2011 08:17 |  #6

markweaver wrote in post #13578329 (external link)
THe new Zeiss Primes (ZE mount) do not have manual aperture rings. Aperture is set within the camera. The older Zeiss lenses have manual aperture rings. Don't forget Samyang though. Great lenses, great price and manual everything (including aperture).

Good call.. I knew Zeiss didn't have manual aperture (the 'current' ones), but wasn't sure on Samyang/Rokinon/Vivita​r.. Some excellent lenses for MF, and amazing values.


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Dec 21, 2011 08:57 |  #7

Zeiss - manual focus!


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Dec 21, 2011 08:58 |  #8

I know the Rokinon 8mm fisheye has manual aperture control. Not sure about the rest of their primes.


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Dec 21, 2011 09:29 |  #9

goatydude wrote in post #13578133 (external link)
Hi,
I would like to get a manual aperture lense for use on my 1dmk4. Can anyone reccommend anything? Not really interested in older lenses m42etc am after something more modern.
Thanks
Daniel

Need to know what focal length you have in mind...


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Dec 21, 2011 10:02 |  #10

markweaver wrote in post #13578329 (external link)
THe new Zeiss Primes (ZE mount) do not have manual aperture rings. Aperture is set within the camera. The older Zeiss lenses have manual aperture rings. Don't forget Samyang though. Great lenses, great price and manual everything (including aperture).

You can always get the modern Zeiss lenses in ZF(.2) mount and use them on Canon cams with a Nikon F-->EOS adapter.

(I'm not knocking the Samyang stuff, just pointing out that the modern Zeiss lenses are a viable option)




  
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Dec 21, 2011 10:15 |  #11

goatydude wrote in post #13578133 (external link)
Hi,
I would like to get a manual aperture lense for use on my 1dmk4. Can anyone reccommend anything? Not really interested in older lenses m42etc am after something more modern.
Thanks
Daniel

Seems like this question is backwards.

You should drool over some specific alt glass first, then get it. I'm sure you could find a list somewhere of great lenses worth the hassle (like the Rokkor 58mm 1.2 I had for a while). Unfortunately it seems many of the lenses worth the manual aperture hassle are indeed the M42 mount. Contax C/Y from Zeiss lenses are good (wide angle to normal in general, but few longer ones like the Sonnar 180 2.8). Contax N mount lenses are valuable since the mount can be exchanged to fully-functioning EF mount. You can get Leica R lenses (and damn, I had 9 of them once), but the cost is steep. You'd have to love Leica rendering a lot, in which case you probably should just get a Leica body.

As was already pointed out, Zeiss makes many great primes in the ZE mount which gives aperture control from the body and focus confirmation.

If you just want a manual aperture lens of modern build (seems ridiculous however), pick up some Nikon lenses and use a converter. The 14-24 is stellar. Or the newer Sony lenses made by Zeiss (you'll pay for all the modern electronics which you won't be using...).


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Dec 21, 2011 11:24 |  #12

Huh? I really don't understand what you are trying to accomplish, Daniel. This is sort of like saying:

"I'm looking for a lens that's as difficult and slow as possible to work with in ways that will make absolutely no difference in the images I make. I have no idea what focal length I want to use and don't want to consider vintage/adapted lenses that might be found at some considerable cost savings."

First, let's figure out what focal length you need and why.

Then tell us what max aperture you need and why.

Then figure out how much you want to spend.

Then let's start shopping.

Some lenses are still being made with manual focus and manual aperture, largely as cost cutting factor. The Rokinon/Bower/Vivitar lenses are an example. Some are also sold under the Vivitar brand, but are the same. There are several focal lengths: 14mm, Fisheye, 35mm, 85mm. These can only be used manually... focus and aperture.... which means that as you stop the lens down your viewfinder increasingly dims, making focus more and more difficult.

But most modern lenses are going to have an aperture that you can control and adjust from the camera body (which can be "manual" or "automatic" as you see fit). The Zeiss ZE line are an example. The Canon MP-E 65mm macro and four TS-E Tilt Shift lenses are other examples... manual focus, but still have an aperture that's controlled electronically (not necessarily "automatically"... though you can use Tv or P if you wish. You can always set M or Av and control the aperture yourself... M would be "manually" set exposure.)

In all these latter cases, the lens aperture is maintained wide open until the moment of exposure... So your viewfinder won't dim down and you will have a much easier time manual focusing. When you trip the shutter release, the lens' aperture stops down, the mirror flips up and the exposure is made. this momentarily blocks your view through the viewfinder, but unless using a long exposure the interruption if very brief. Then the mirror drops back into place and the aperture opens up again.


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Dec 21, 2011 11:42 |  #13

goatydude wrote in post #13578133 (external link)
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I would like to get a manual aperture lense for use on my 1dmk4. Can anyone reccommend anything? Not really interested in older lenses m42etc am after something more modern.
Thanks
Daniel
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uhhhh, do you mean manual focus lens??
manual aperature is basically putting ur camera setting on Tv/Auto/etc


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Dec 21, 2011 11:44 |  #14

The new Zeiss lenses for Nikon mount are extremely modern and have manual aperture rings.

zf.1 are cheaper than the electronic aperture zf.2

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you can use them via adapter.

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Dec 21, 2011 11:46 |  #15

manual aperture is a feature lots of videographers like having.

since most are unawares.

I don't think the Zeiss ZF.2 lenses have manual aperture. nvm, they do. the also have can do it via electronics.


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