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Dec 26, 2011 10:29 |  #1

Two years ago, I got my Rebel T1i and began the endeavor of learning to use a DSLR. When I got it, I knew it was a stepping stone camera and 'someday' I would want to upgrade - it has been hard to resist buying the T2i or the T3i or the Canon 60D. I have seen some great deals on both the 60D and 7d as of late.

But one thing I have learned about upgrading camera equipment is that I really need a plan and an upgrade path, otherwise I end up spending a lot of money for marginal upgrades.

That is why I am waiting for the 'next generation' camera - the digi V processor, a leap in noise control. Already I know I will like the ISO control, the built in off camera flash and maybe the swivel screen. I have read with interest the new Rebel will be announced in February. Not sure if that will be the one for me, or whatever replaces the 60D or the 7D. The 60D will be 2 years old in late summer and the 7D has already passed the two year mark - I would think 2012 would be the year to replace both models. Then I have the decision of which one to get. It depends on how much longer I can be patient :lol:

Meanwhile, I will keep reading these threads, because I continue to learn and understand so much about each camera, which will all contribute to my final decision. Looking forward to see what the new year brings....;)


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Dec 26, 2011 13:12 |  #2

I've had a XTi for the last 4 years now and thought for sure that I would upgrade this xmas. But then I needed some dental work done, and then the dog gave us a nice vet bill on Dec 23 so needless to say I'll have my XTi for a while yet. It's not that it's a bad camera, I'm very happy with the image quality I get from it.

I did pick up a good tripod and focus rail which should help me a bit with my macro work, but something I'm definitely looking forward to when I upgrade is live view focus so maybe more of my macro pics will actually be in focus.


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Dec 26, 2011 13:56 |  #3

Funny to read this post as I have had my 550D, T2i for over a year and a half now and every week or so I scower the web sites for deals.

At this point, I have come to the realization that I should just wait. I invested in some quality glass and a flash this year. I hope to learn more prior to upgrading and by then the new models should be out.


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Dec 26, 2011 14:10 |  #4

I was happy with my T2i, 18-55 and 55-250 lenses for quite a while. I just started doing event photography so I picked up a used 40D and some better lenses along with a YN-560 flash. This setup works good for me. Sometimes, upgrading doesn't mean buying newer.




  
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Dec 26, 2011 14:33 |  #5

T1i was my first DSLR, I was very happy with it. Since you already experience the Rebel, T1i, T2i, T3i or even the new one that might be coming, is still a bit same (as in body). My opinion is if you want to upgrade a body, I will suggest the 60D, 7D, etc beyond the Rebel line. But for now, you are better off investing in glass since there always be newer models every 3 years or so. And getting some accessories that you can use with upgrades.


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Dec 26, 2011 15:13 |  #6

frugivore wrote in post #13601018 (external link)
Sometimes, upgrading doesn't mean buying newer.

All of my camera bodies have been used. I don't think I've ever bought one that was less than 2 years old.


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Dec 26, 2011 17:14 as a reply to  @ Mark-B's post |  #7

Good points to consider - and I do like buying used and $aving. I think the noise with the T1i is the thing I would most like improved with my next camera. As for which body I will choose when the new Digi V is released, I have yet to decide. I am a 57 year old female with small hands and RA and sometimes my T1i feels heavy with the extra flash on - so time will tell.


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Dec 26, 2011 18:22 |  #8

I had my T2i for about 16 months and figured it was time to upgrade. I was wanting to wait for a new camera body with the Digic 5 but I figure I knew enough to step up to a 7D. Going from the Rebel to 7D has been awesome.


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Dec 26, 2011 19:02 |  #9

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I had my T2i for about 16 months and figured it was time to upgrade. I was wanting to wait for a new camera body with the Digic 5 but I figure I knew enough to step up to a 7D. Going from the Rebel to 7D has been awesome.

Did you notice a difference in IQ, noise, AF? I would be very interested in hearing why it was so awsome - thank you much!


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Dec 26, 2011 23:12 |  #10

michgirl wrote in post #13602056 (external link)
Did you notice a difference in IQ, noise, AF? I would be very interested in hearing why it was so awsome - thank you much!

I had 7D which I just sold. I had used a few Canon EOS digital bodies before including 30D, 5D and briefly a T1i.

Hi ISO performance of the 7D is arguably better than T1i but what made the 7D so great was the AF and Handling. The AF of all 19 cross type focus points of my 7D was instant, determined and accurate even in very dim environment. The spot and single expansion AF mode are extremely helpful in difficult shooting situations. And those are something you could only find in 1-series before. I am not a big fan of spray and pray shooting style when it comes to action... but with the zone AF mode and the single expansion, the 8fps are truely effective for action subjects.

Many folks said 7D is a specialized camera for sport and action, and 5DII would do the rest of everything better... I would say this is not true. 7D is actually a better camera for all purpose. From action, portrait, street to wedding or lowlight ... Anything you want to shoot, the 19 point cross type AF will nail fast and accurate. This camera will not disappointed you.

I would remind fellows who are about to upgrade to 7D that you might need to spend a lot of time and practice shots to know the new AF system. Some of the silks and knowledge you gained from your older EOS DSLRs will sure help, but you will find that you will need to go thru a very steep learning curve even you have years of experience with your current gear (unless it's a 1 series)

There are A LOT more customizable control settings and advanced menu options on the 7D that you don't find on your current camera. And you will almost have to re-learn the system and analyze the results from the combinations of the control options, and the behavior of each lens with each of your AF modes and settings so that you can really connect to the camera and fully utilize it's potnetial. It's a very steep learning curve and I was still learning when I sold my 7D tho I was quite connected to it for some core operations already.

After you are familiar with your 7D, using it will be just a pleasure. IQ, Hi ISO noise and resolution of the 7D of course are not disappointed. But I would say there is no substaintial IQ difference between the 7D and the Txi bodies especially after PP.

If you are buying a new body because you are looking for better IQ, 7D might not be the way to go.

For me, After shooting with 7D for a while, I still miss the IQ from 5D, the silky 3D look even in dimmer shooting situations, the less agressive PP process, and most important is that I can use my 35mm lens as 35mm lens, and use my 70-200L as a perfect wedding/portrait lens in term of Focal length and DOF.

That's why I moved (back) to 5-series (5DII this time) recently. But instantly I feel it's lacking in the AF department...it feels slow and limited especially the AF points are so cramped to center and the extreme points are not always accurate in real life situations. I don't feel I upgraded... it's actually a downgrade operantional-wise. People said once you see the IQ from 5D, its hard to go back to crop.. which is honestly true to me otherwise I wouldn't switch to 5Dii...

But Iit's also true that the flexibility, the handling and the AF performance of 7D will make you hard to go back to anything inferior operational-wise.

Should Canon has a new prosumer FF body with advanced AF system in 2012, I will have no problem to do a true upgrade. For now, I will focus on practicing with the 5DII to reconnect to and regain some confidence with this aged AF system.


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Dec 27, 2011 01:10 |  #11

nonick wrote in post #13603047 (external link)
I would remind fellows who are about to upgrade to 7D that you might need to spend a lot of time and practice shots to know the new AF system. Some of the silks and knowledge you gained from your older EOS DSLRs will sure help, but you will find that you will need to go thru a very steep learning curve even you have years of experience with your current gear (unless it's a 1 series)

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I must have read about the "steep learning curve" of the 7D a thousand times on this forum...aside from being able to custom set some buttons (with a very user friendly menu) ..all the confusion seems to stem from the "complicated" new focusing system......and I just scratch my head in complete wonder.

This new "super complex rocket scientist requiring focusing system" literally took me about 15 minutes to understand completely, and I am very far from a rocket scientist. My 6 year old grandson probably knows more about computers than I do. My two sons and daughter - all in their mid to late 20s all think I'm completely computer illiterate. I've been using cameras for over 50 years, but never used a digital SLR until 2009

- I really don't get where all the confusion comes in.

Yes, instead of having two choices on how to focus (single point and automatic) it has three new modes in addition to the two all the other EOS cameras have.

None of the three modes are complicated - in fact they are very logical and intuitive if anyone takes the few minutes to read the manual. And not a one of them is really much more than a variation of using a single point method - when trying to keep a moving object in focus in AI servo mode.

There's a "zone" mode that divides the viewfinder into 5 separate zones and you can start at any single point (just as you can in any EOS camera. This "zone" mode will focus on whatever is closest to the camera in that section of the frame. Focus on a runner in a race and another runner gets between him and the camera, it will switch to the new guy. Don't want that to happen? Don't use the "zone" setting.

There's a "spot" single point mode which is the same as the regular single point mode, but more precise.

There's an "extended" single point mode which is the same as the regular single point mode but LESS precise.

That's it. There are some other minor nuances, but again, a few minutes with the owner's manual and they become straight-forward.

Just the little I wrote is about 99% of what the whole thing is about. Does this really sound like it would require a 'steep learning curve"?

Oh yeah - there is a slider that will let you choose if speed or accuracy of focus is more important -

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Dec 27, 2011 02:04 |  #12

nonick wrote in post #13603047 (external link)
Many folks said 7D is a specialized camera for sport and action, and 5DII would do the rest of everything better... I would say this is not true. 7D is actually a better camera for all purpose.

nonick wrote in post #13603047 (external link)
For me, After shooting with 7D for a while, I still miss the IQ from 5D, the silky 3D look even in dimmer shooting situations, the less agressive PP process, and most important is that I can use my 35mm lens as 35mm lens, and use my 70-200L as a perfect wedding/portrait lens in term of Focal length and DOF.

That's why I moved (back) to 5-series (5DII this time) recently. People said once you see the IQ from 5D, its hard to go back to crop.. which is honestly true to me otherwise I wouldn't switch to 5Dii...

Does not compute.


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Dec 27, 2011 02:50 |  #13

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Does not compute.

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Dec 27, 2011 03:01 |  #14

Sorarse wrote in post #13603568 (external link)
Does not compute.

If you read the whole thing and quote the entire thing, it does compute. 7D is a more all purpose capable camera given the entire system is more advanced, flexible, accurate and capable to handle various shooting environment... and it's IQ is very high overall. That makes it a better all purpose camera operational wise.

But if one is after the IQ alone and really have personal preferrence on certain focal lengths in term of 35mm format, like me, 7D might not be the first choice.


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Dec 27, 2011 03:02 |  #15

jwcdds wrote in post #13603669 (external link)
bw!

No quite...


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