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Bokeh 5Dii vs. 7D?

 
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Dec 29, 2011 00:16 |  #1

I saw the 85L sample photos and saw that most of them were on 5dii - and they were bokehliscious! My question is...

Would...

bokeh on a 7D w/ 50L < bokeh on a 5Dii w/ 85L?

Just trying to weigh my options - whether or not I should upgrade...


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Dec 29, 2011 00:20 |  #2

No, bokeh is not size of the highlights, it is simply the quality of the OOF highlights. They are both great lenses for that.

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Dec 29, 2011 01:43 |  #3

I don't know about bokeh comparison of the two combo but I would pick 5Dii w/85L over the 7D w/50L any day if money was not a factor....for portrait.




  
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Dec 29, 2011 02:00 |  #4

drive_75 wrote in post #13613688 (external link)
I don't know about bokeh comparison of the two combo but I would pick 5Dii w/85L over the 7D w/50L any day if money was not a factor....for portrait.

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@f/1.2 the 85L II is much sharper than the 50L, and the 85L don't have any focus shift problem either.


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Dec 29, 2011 02:08 as a reply to  @ drive_75's post |  #5

Canon crops are really less able to get the full resolution power of a lens than fullframe can do. I don't think that crops will have a real future, unless they make a huge step with dynamic and colour sensitivity, just they are quite cheap compared to APSH and Fullframe ...

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5DMKII+85L1.2II is more expansive than 7D+50L ... but worth to make the jump, 85L is a nearly perfect lens (just missing a distance limiter, to be perfect for action/sport too).


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Dec 29, 2011 02:12 |  #6
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ben805 wrote in post #13613740 (external link)
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@f/1.2 the 85L II is much sharper than the 50L, and the 85L don't have any focus shift problem either.

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no contest really. 5D2 +85L beats 7D +50L for portrait in every way you look at it.


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Dec 29, 2011 03:48 |  #7

Not to be rude (though having not seen your work I base my response on the kind of question you are asking) ...spend money improving your skills instead. This is a gear forum and most people will encourage you to by more gear :)


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Dec 29, 2011 05:19 as a reply to  @ Rai33's post |  #8

Just shoot. Bodies are less important than glass. I shot with ye old Canon D30 3MP "back in the day" with a 85L and had good bokeh with shots I can still blow up to poster size.


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Dec 29, 2011 07:23 |  #9

gblader wrote in post #13613427 (external link)
I saw the 85L sample photos and saw that most of them were on 5dii - and they were bokehliscious! My question is...

Would...

bokeh on a 7D w/ 50L < bokeh on a 5Dii w/ 85L?

Just trying to weigh my options - whether or not I should upgrade...

The bokeh is a function of the lens, so it will be the same. Incidentally, 'bokeh' is the aesthetic appearance of the blur region, not the amount of blur.

For the same framing, the 5D2 will give you more blur , less depth of field and the same bokeh.


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Dec 30, 2011 04:39 |  #10

JeffreyG wrote in post #13614283 (external link)
The bokeh is a function of the lens, so it will be the same. Incidentally, 'bokeh' is the aesthetic appearance of the blur region, not the amount of blur.

For the same framing, the 5D2 will give you more blur , less depth of field and the same bokeh.

Thank you all! I totally agree that I need to improve my skills as well, but for some pics, I sometimes think only so miluch skills is required..

Exactly my question then- why?

Why does the same framing result in more blur, and less depth of field??

Thanks a gain guys! Stand guys on this forum!


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Dec 30, 2011 04:40 |  #11

^^ also thanks for the definition of bokeh- good to know


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Dec 30, 2011 04:51 |  #12

Rai33 wrote in post #13613931 (external link)
...spend money improving your skills instead.

Better yet, learn more about cameras without spending money.

To the OP:

If we assume that the 50mm f/1.2L and the 85mm f/1.2L are both going to be shot wide open, and that the lenses perform the same in terms of sharpness and optical quality (which isn't quite true, actually), what is left is the "crop factor" of the cameras.

Remember that not only does the 50mm lens angle of view get magnified, but everything else in that section is magnified. Areas blurred at f/1.2 are now cropped closer. Out of focus areas will appear larger ("more blurred") because each blur circle will be magnified (along with any abnormalities in its blur quality). However, at the same time the depth of field will appear to be greater (the area in focus will appear to be deeper), because it will appear to be more in proportion to the shrunken frame dimensions of APS-C (it doesn't actually change).

That is - IF you stick the same lens on both cameras.

If you use the 50mm on the 7D and the 85mm on the 5D, keep in mind that you are paying a lot more just to match focal lengths, when what would be just as good would be to use the more expensive 85mm on the cheaper body (if "bang for the buck" is your criteria) - if you are certain to have enough room to maneuver with the longer lens (i.e. studio work). For casual event photography, 50mm on 7D gets you close enough to a single person without needing to go across the room.

So you'll have to decide whether this provides thin enough DOF performance, good enough lens performance, and so on.

Personally, I think that yes, in many cases you can get away with the slightly thicker-looking (although it is actually no thicker) DOF of crop, balanced out by the larger blur circles of the crop. Having a smaller lens (I believe the 50mm is notably smaller than the 85mm) should help too.




  
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Dec 30, 2011 05:20 |  #13

I felt that there were several turning point moments in my photography journey where I made a distinct step up in photography output and quality

One of those moments was the day I upgraded from crop (40D) to full frame (5D Mark II)

This may offend some people, but it's simply what happened :(


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Dec 30, 2011 05:34 |  #14

smorter wrote in post #13619354 (external link)
I felt that there were several turning point moments in my photography journey where I made a distinct step up in photography output and quality

One of those moments was the day I upgraded from crop (40D) to full frame (5D Mark II)

This may offend some people, but it's simply what happened :(

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Same here going from 40D to 5D classic. And again from going to 5D to 5D II, although that was more of an incremental step in the same direction :D.

BTW, when I got my first dslr, a 350D, the 5D had just become available, but was 2.5 X as expensive as the 350D at the time. Had I known then what I know now, I would have gone straight for the 5D, rather than make all the sidesteps I did. The 350D was amazing for my first dslr, but wow, that 5D really did up the ante by quite a margin, IQ-wise, and that from the 40D.

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Dec 30, 2011 07:40 |  #15

gblader wrote in post #13619285 (external link)
Exactly my question then- why?

Why does the same framing result in more blur, and less depth of field??

Thanks a gain guys! Stand guys on this forum!

This is because the cameras have different sized sensors. So if you put an 85mm lens on each camera you would have to stand much closer with the 5D to reach the same framing. A shorter focus distance with all other variables the same results in less depth of field. Note that this example does not yield the same photo as the perspective is different.

A better example would be to shoot at 50mm and f/1.2 with a 7D, and then take the same shot from the same position with an 85mm lens at f/1.2 on the 5D. This would give the same perspective, the same framing but the 5D would have less depth of field and more blur owing to the use of the longer focal length.


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