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Dec 30, 2011 15:03 |  #1

First post I just bought a 60d with the EF-S 18-135mm IS lens.
The dog was sleeping so I thought I would try to take a B&W shot.Tell me what I did wrong.
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Dec 30, 2011 15:06 |  #2

What you did wrong is to not post the EXIF info on the shot so people can give advice.

It looks like you focused OK on the dogs face. If you wanted all of the dog in focus, you'll need to step down the aperture.

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Dec 30, 2011 15:12 |  #3

You might think of getting a more interesting angle and also if you showed a little background it might give it a little more depth. Just take a lot of shots from a lot of angles and you'll find what looks good.


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Dec 30, 2011 15:14 |  #4

Exif is in the image file:

F-stop: f/5.6
Exposure time: 1/60 sec.
ISO speed: ISO-400
Focal length: 92mm
Flash mode: Flash, compulsory

I prefer color in my photographs in most cases - it tends to make the image more 'real'. Black and white is good when the background detracts attention from the subject, such as a person against a red background. Do you have a color version?




  
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Dec 30, 2011 15:15 as a reply to  @ cmh512's post |  #5

Luckily, the EXIF data is there. ;)

Shot at 1/60 second. Was it handheld? With a 92mm focal length on the lens, this is a bit on the slow side (if you didn't use a tripod). As a rule of thumb, use the reciprocal of the focal length as the slowest handheld shot. (for example: for a 100mm focal length, shoot at 1/100 second or faster).

Aperture: f/5.6. You can see that even with that aperture, that the depth of field is still quite shallow.

Wrong? Nothing. And, you let a sleeping dog lie. [Unless the flash woke him up.]

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Dec 30, 2011 15:20 |  #6

Why black and white? With that lens....you might want to stop it down to f/8 to get a reasonable degree of sharpness.


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Dec 30, 2011 15:32 as a reply to  @ cpam.pix's post |  #7

Well, it's a little soft around the eye, which is where you want to focus. I see that you were in portrait mode, does that work like full auto and insist on having all the focus points active? If so, you can't be sure where the camera is going to decide to focus as you are letting it decide where is most important and it won't recognise the subject or that it should lock onto an eye. If you use single point AF, and place it over the eye, you should get focus where it is needed.

1/60th is fine at 92mm, so long as you have the IS turned on and the subject isn't moving significantly. That old rule of thumb is just a guide and was written long before IS was invented.

Did you shoot this in colour or b&w? You can generally get a better b&w image by shooting in colour and then using the colour channels to adjust the image (after turning down the saturation). Shooting it in b&w throws away all the colour information and gives you much less options when editing.




  
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Dec 30, 2011 15:43 |  #8

sandpiper wrote in post #13621717 (external link)
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1/60th is fine at 92mm, so long as you have the IS turned on and the subject isn't moving significantly. That old rule of thumb is just a guide and was written long before IS was invented.
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Dec 30, 2011 15:53 |  #9

cmh512 wrote in post #13621602 (external link)
What you did wrong is to not post the EXIF info on the shot so people can give advice.

Actually, he did nothing wrong. cmh512, I suggest you use the Firefox Exif Viewer. All you have to do is right clic on an image and select Exif Viewer and there you go : EXIF DATA.

cpam.pix wrote in post #13621640 (external link)
Luckily, the EXIF data is there. ;)

Shot at 1/60 second. Was it handheld? With a 92mm focal length on the lens, this is a bit on the slow side (if you didn't use a tripod). As a rule of thumb, use the reciprocal of the focal length as the slowest handheld shot. (for example: for a 100mm focal length, shoot at 1/100 second or faster).

Aperture: f/5.6. You can see that even with that aperture, that the depth of field is still quite shallow.

Wrong? Nothing. And, you let a sleeping dog lie. [Unless the flash woke him up.]

We'll be looking for more.

dave

Great advice from Dave

sandpiper wrote in post #13621717 (external link)
Well, it's a little soft around the eye, which is where you want to focus. I see that you were in portrait mode, does that work like full auto and insist on having all the focus points active? If so, you can't be sure where the camera is going to decide to focus as you are letting it decide where is most important and it won't recognize the subject or that it should lock onto an eye. If you use single point AF, and place it over the eye, you should get focus where it is needed.

1/60th is fine at 92mm, so long as you have the IS turned on and the subject isn't moving significantly. That old rule of thumb is just a guide and was written long before IS was invented.

Did you shoot this in color or b&w? You can generally get a better b&w image by shooting in color and then using the color channels to adjust the image (after turning down the saturation). Shooting it in b&w throws away all the color information and gives you much less options when editing.

Great advice from Sandpiper.

Basically, just keep shooting and you will learn. As mentioned above, always shoot in color and then process to B&W. You can always convert a colored image to B&W but you will have a very hard time converting a B&W image to color, it will take hours.

Try working with different apertures, you will get nice depth of field (also known on these forums as DOF). Try taking the pictures at angles not normally viewed on a daily basis, it gives a different perspective and it can be very attractive to the eye.

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Dec 30, 2011 16:02 |  #10

cpam.pix wrote in post #13621640 (external link)
Shot at 1/60 second. Was it handheld? With a 92mm focal length on the lens, this is a bit on the slow side (if you didn't use a tripod). As a rule of thumb, use the reciprocal of the focal length as the slowest handheld shot. (for example: for a 100mm focal length, shoot at 1/100 second or faster)...

Why...Seriously?
It's not a hard and fast "rule" as some people seem to make it out to be.
There's no visible or obvious camera shake so it wasn't needed in this shot.
Use whatever shutter speed you want on whatever focal length with whatever lens you like if you've got a steady hand.

Nice looking dog.
What is it? Looks like a Blue/Red Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog)


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Dec 30, 2011 18:39 |  #11

Joe.Recon wrote in post #13621807 (external link)
Actually, he did nothing wrong. cmh512, I suggest you use the Firefox Exif Viewer. All you have to do is right clic on an image and select Exif Viewer and there you go : EXIF DATA.
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I stand corrected. I didn't know I had to install an Exif Viewer plug in. I now have it and see the exif info. Thanks!


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Dec 30, 2011 21:36 as a reply to  @ cmh512's post |  #12

Thanks I downloaded the Firefox viewer shows all the info.Ill try the suggestions mentioned. The dog is a Blue Heeler mix (shelter told me it was Blue Heeler/Corgie)
Thanks again
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Dec 30, 2011 22:32 |  #13

cmh512 wrote in post #13622508 (external link)
I stand corrected. I didn't know I had to install an Exif Viewer plug in. I now have it and see the exif info. Thanks!

No problem


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