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Dec 27, 2011 08:58 |  #1

Below is an example of basketball pictures that seem to have the subject too soft (or OOF). the settings were: ISO 2000; 2.8, 1/400, using my 7d and 70-200 non IS lens @ 70mm. Use back button focus, AI servo, center point. It seems as if all my moving subjects end up soft like this while my static shots are spot on. I'm guessing that either 1/400 may be too slow or I am not allowing enough time for the lens to acquire proper focus. It also seems like I am getting a fair amount of noise at ISO 2000 (or perhaps I am being too picky...). Does anyone agree with my assesment? or perhaps suggestions on how to improve?


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Dec 27, 2011 09:07 |  #2

The kid in white looks a little sharper, though still not in focus. So I would suggest the number one problem is that you have missed focus. As to why the focus is off, that could be a lot of things, but most important is that you need to be very steady in tracking moving athletes and keeping the active AF point on the subject. You will find the rate of in-focus shots climbs when you do this well.

1/400 is also kind of slow, and subject motion could also be the problem. We should not rule that out, as the kid in white might be sharper just because he's moving more slowly. I consider 1/500 to be my absolute floor, and 1/800 is preferred.

The shot is also a little underexposed. Look at the white uniform, it looks kind of grey. I think this shot is about 2/3 stop under.

Based on this shot you probably should have been at 1/500, f/2.8 and ISO 4000 ranging to 1/800, f/2.8 and ISO 6400.


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Dec 27, 2011 10:13 |  #3

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here's what I see going on. a) shutter speed too slow for HS boys. 1/640 and raise ISO until you have proper exposure; b) underexposed shots recovered during post. This leads to MORE noise than shooting properly exposed images at higher ISO setting; c) the rest of your camera is setup well--frame action, track action with back button focus, shutter half-way depressed and when peak action is just about to take place, start shooting!

Good news is you have lots of games to shoot as it's still pretty early in season. Up that shutter speed and ISO and you should see sharper images.

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Dec 27, 2011 10:41 |  #4

Guys, thanks for the suggestions its very much appreciated - I'll play around with those settings at my next game.

Jeff - will be heading to Detroit in a few days to visit the in laws... Go Wings! lol


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Dec 27, 2011 10:46 |  #5

subscribed. Im having same soft or OOF shots too with my 7d


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Dec 28, 2011 14:36 as a reply to  @ C_Heath31's post |  #6

Your shots are underexposed! As synd said above, you need shutter at 1/640, and with the lenses you used, at f/2.8' I would just guess you need and iso of around 4000. You should take some test shots before the game and tweak as needed.




  
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Dec 28, 2011 22:01 |  #7

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Your shots are underexposed! As synd said above, you need shutter at 1/640, and with the lenses you used, at f/2.8' I would just guess you need and iso of around 4000. You should take some test shots before the game and tweak as needed.

thanks for your suggestion, I've just been leery of too much noise. I think I know what the problem has been, but I guess I needed some varification.


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Dec 31, 2011 15:56 |  #8

mark2009 wrote in post #13611000 (external link)
Your shots are underexposed! As synd said above, you need shutter at 1/640, and with the lenses you used, at f/2.8' I would just guess you need and iso of around 4000. You should take some test shots before the game and tweak as needed.

This is part of it. Underexposed will always be noisy and hard to de-noise later without it looking like crap. Also, there could be a bit of shake as well, how steady do you feel when holding the camera?


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Dec 31, 2011 23:44 as a reply to  @ elrey2375's post |  #9

I was at the same game and strobing will help you get better images.
I was using a couple 1DIV's and here are a couple that were shot with the 70-200 2.8L IS II


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Dec 31, 2011 23:49 |  #10

I will also add that the correct ambient in this gym is ISO 3200 1/500th @ 2.8 but the color shift is horrible, even a custom WB will not give you consistent colors.


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Jan 01, 2012 00:28 |  #11

you must have been the guy at the opposite end of the gym! lol were the above pics using the stobes that you had mounted high along the walls? I want to resist using on camera strobes.

End even though I used a custom white balance, you are correct, it was all over....


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Jan 01, 2012 07:39 |  #12

firefighter4u wrote in post #13628039 (external link)
you must have been the guy at the opposite end of the gym! lol were the above pics using the stobes that you had mounted high along the walls? I want to resist using on camera strobes.

End even though I used a custom white balance, you are correct, it was all over....

Yes, I was using strobes high in the corners, it takes me 5 minutes to set them up (2 Profoto Acuteb2 AirS) and saves me hours of time in post.


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Jan 01, 2012 10:00 |  #13

Do you set them up in every gym you go to? and do you have to get permission before setting them up?


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Jan 01, 2012 10:08 |  #14

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Do you set them up in every gym you go to? and do you have to get permission before setting them up?

Yes I set them up in every gym I go to, and most know me and have no issues. I am fully insured and that would be their only concern. Players, coaches and refs all have said they never realize they are there so it does not bother them.


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Jan 02, 2012 18:44 |  #15

Pmd u dennykyser with questions

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