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Has anyone here downgraded their 5d MKII to a 5DI?

 
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Jan 03, 2012 13:30 |  #16

TravellingCello wrote in post #13640007 (external link)
All but two of my lenses are manual focus lenses - do you mean that you use live-view tripod mounted or hand-held ?

Because I never quite understood why anybody would use live-view handheld - isn't it just too slow? I have the precision screen installed and its enough for me.

Both. It is slow (or "deliberate" if you prefer) for handheld work, but since most of my subjects are of the stationary variety, this is not an issue for me. :)

I have the precision screen installed as well and I use it when I need to work a little faster or when shooting stopped down, but I frequently shoot wide open and/or up close, so there is no substitute for the pinpoint accuracy you get with magnified live view.




  
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Jan 03, 2012 13:34 |  #17

TravellingCello wrote in post #13640096 (external link)
That wasn't me talking about sizes - although I may start using medium RAW sizes, I don't want to end up having to buy a new computer either!

Ok, anyway, it is your situation and only you will know.

What I am saying is that buying/selling has their own overhead, you may "free up" some cash but will end up with a much older camera. I just recently upgraded from 5Dc to 5D2. Both are capable cameras, but I think the 5D2 is more "future proof" with MA, live view, self-cleaning sensor, higher resolution, etc. It is a camera that will last for some years to come. Unless you are really financially stressed, I think it is better to hold on to the 5D2 and be happy.

But all my personal opinions of course.

I also don't understand the comment about a new computer. Are you saying you have a computer that works with the 5Dc but not 5D2?


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Jan 03, 2012 13:50 |  #18

TravellingCello wrote in post #13640007 (external link)
All but two of my lenses are manual focus lenses - do you mean that you use live-view tripod mounted or hand-held ?

Because I never quite understood why anybody would use live-view handheld - isn't it just too slow? I have the precision screen installed and its enough for me.

I use Live View all the time to ETTR, then switch back to Viewfinder. It's easy to see a Real Time Exposure and the histogram. Then I can pull exposure back in post. This has made a big difference in the quality of my files for PP.


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Jan 03, 2012 14:23 |  #19

Personally, if I had to sell the 5D2 to free up some cash, the replacement would be the 7D, at the very least I still get LV, video, better LCD, AF, and weather sealing than 5Dc.  :p


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Jan 03, 2012 14:41 |  #20

I will say do it. If your lenses don't need MA, then why care that much. Depending on what you shoot you may not need all the other features. My other body is 1dmk2 and someone here on PTN once mentioned how ancient it was, no LV, no MA, no big LCD, two handed operation, measily 8MP with not great high ISO. Put 300/400mm f2.8 IS on it and images from it still rock and can be as good as one from the latest generation cameras. Now do I want 1dmk4, heck sure, but if I wasn't shooting ISO128000 would I switch from 1dmk4 to 1dmk2 if money was an issue, you bet.

Folks mentioing LV, what do you shoot? I can't imagine putting thing on a tripod, look at some screen in zoom view at f1.4 while making sure subject is still. Just asking as I have no experience with it.

Regarding LV for metering, get a meters and make life so much easier.


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Jan 03, 2012 14:45 |  #21

bobbyz wrote in post #13640531 (external link)
Regarding LV for metering, get a meters and make life so much easier.

yes, because using a meter is easier than pushing a button. not saying a meter is difficult, but not a really great argument for ditching live view....


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Jan 03, 2012 14:45 |  #22

howiewu wrote in post #13640137 (external link)
Ok, anyway, it is your situation and only you will know.

What I am saying is that buying/selling has their own overhead, you may "free up" some cash but will end up with a much older camera. I just recently upgraded from 5Dc to 5D2. Both are capable cameras, but I think the 5D2 is more "future proof" with MA, live view, self-cleaning sensor, higher resolution, etc. It is a camera that will last for some years to come. Unless you are really financially stressed, I think it is better to hold on to the 5D2 and be happy.

But all my personal opinions of course.

I also don't understand the comment about a new computer. Are you saying you have a computer that works with the 5Dc but not 5D2?

No, just that 21mp files are much slower to process on an ageing computer!




  
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Jan 03, 2012 14:46 |  #23

ben805 wrote in post #13640423 (external link)
Personally, if I had to sell the 5D2 to free up some cash, the replacement would be the 7D, at the very least I still get LV, video, better LCD, AF, and weather sealing than 5Dc.  :p

That I'm not prepared to do, because it wouldn't free up that much money for a start, and I would have to re-think and buy/sell lenses to make it a useful setup again.... and I would actually end up spending more.




  
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Jan 03, 2012 14:48 |  #24

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13640545 (external link)
yes, because using a meter is easier than pushing a button. not saying a meter is difficult, but not a really great argument for ditching live view....

Once you know how meter works vs histogram you won't go back. It is simple button push for both but different outcome, IMHO. My argument is why you even need LV for most shooting. Maybe I don't understand. Please show me where only LV can do things which I can't do otherwise as easily. Remember I don't have any LV experience and I bet most of the photographers in same category as LV only became available in last few years.


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Jan 03, 2012 14:49 |  #25

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13640545 (external link)
yes, because using a meter is easier than pushing a button. not saying a meter is difficult, but not a really great argument for ditching live view....

Well I must say I've never used LV to meter and focus before I take a picture - my subject would have died of boredom before then!


I don't think I need to do that personally as I can focus fine through the VF and I'm getting to be pretty good at guessing how much I have to compensate for with my manual lenses....
Even if its an inanimate subject I wouldn't do that unless I was using a tripod. (is that what you are saying?)




  
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Jan 03, 2012 15:17 |  #26

Do it, I doubt you'll notice any IQ difference and you'll put some money in your pocket. Here are a couple of discussions you might want to look at...

http://forums.dpreview​.com …orum=1032&threa​d=39579693 (external link)

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/10136​83 (external link)




  
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Jan 03, 2012 15:24 |  #27

You don't use LV to meter every picture, lol. Just the scene, then set and shoot. It takes two seconds! Man, you guys are being crazy! It's one method out of 100. Besides, one less thing I need to carry. If you're a pro and drive a Kit Van around with an assistant, more power to you. I'm just screwing around and killing time, lol.


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Jan 03, 2012 15:25 |  #28

bobbyz wrote in post #13640567 (external link)
Once you know how meter works vs histogram you won't go back. It is simple button push for both but different outcome, IMHO. My argument is why you even need LV for most shooting. Maybe I don't understand. Please show me where only LV can do things which I can't do otherwise as easily. Remember I don't have any LV experience and I bet most of the photographers in same category as LV only became available in last few years.

You don't have LV experience? Well let me tell you a computer is better than a typewriter. Welcome to the future! lol, Im just kidding around and camera meter isn't perfect, but nothing is until a human learns to use it.


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Jan 03, 2012 15:44 |  #29

Higgs Boson wrote in post #13640750 (external link)
You don't have LV experience? Well let me tell you a computer is better than a typewriter. Welcome to the future! lol, Im just kidding around and camera meter isn't perfect, but nothing is until a human learns to use it.

maybe one day we will get to see the page typed on that computer.;)

OP - Sorry to be be off topic. End of my contribution to this thread.


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Jan 03, 2012 16:33 |  #30

rick_reno wrote in post #13640708 (external link)
Do it, I doubt you'll notice any IQ difference and you'll put some money in your pocket. Here are a couple of discussions you might want to look at...

http://forums.dpreview​.com …orum=1032&threa​d=39579693 (external link)

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/10136​83 (external link)

Lol at the stupid argument in the first link... thanks for those...

I'm edging towards actually going ahead and doing it - I suddenly remembered how much I loved using the 1DS MK1 I had for a short time last year, and actually how I did manage to survive without LV -

I'm starting to think that it will probably improve my photography because I can't rely on exposure simulation....




  
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