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Mixing Ambient & Strobe for basketball?

 
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Nov 30, 2011 15:40 |  #1

Basketball season is here and I want to increase the quality of my images and plan on using strobes, but do not care for the shadows it causes sometimes or the fact you loose some fps. I realize it takes timing but short bursts sometimes gets a great shot that would have been not so great. Eyes closed for example.

I know with my PW Mini and Profoto AcuteB2 Air I can sync at 1500th with my 1DIV, and from what I remember that is a fast enough shutter speed to freeze action in high school ball.

I am thinking about bouncing 1 or 2 AcuteB2air's off the wall and ceiling and just slightly over power the ambient to give some pop and good colors and yet use very little power giving me fast recycle and quick shots. Even if 2 out of 3 shots have strobe and the 3rd doesn't if that shot was the keeper, could probably be salvaged. I have 3 Acuteb2's so could even set one down court for defense shots.

I am thinking about trying this method this weekend at a scrimmage but wanted to see what you thought about my idea before trying.
I know I can go the typical route and shoot at ISO 800 1/250 f/4 and allow the flash to freeze the action but being a portrait photograph I really hate shadows and can't help but wonder if this method would give the best of both worlds.

Here are a couple images I shot last year with out strobe, hoping to improve the colors and shoot at a little lower ISO. This was shot at ISO 3200 1/500 2.8


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Nov 30, 2011 17:19 |  #2

It's worth a shot I suppose. Try using something like 1/800 for shutter and see if you can get enough HSS power from the strobes to make a difference in the shadows. I don't think you can use this strategy to reduce ISO, because you are only going to use the strobes as fill while still exposing the gym for ambient. This will leave you at the same ISO / SS/ Aperture that you used without strobes.


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Nov 30, 2011 18:59 |  #3

dennykyser wrote in post #13475488 (external link)
I know with my PW Mini and Profoto AcuteB2 Air I can sync at 1500th with my 1DIV, and from what I remember that is a fast enough shutter speed to freeze action in high school ball.

To clarify, do you mean 1/500" or 1/1500" shutter speed?

If 1/500", I assume you're using ControlTL optimized x-sync.

If 1/1500", I assume you're using the trailing/fading decay of a strobe with really slow t.1 and t.5 durations as a pseudo-HSS?

1/500" is marginal for freezing HS BB.
1/1500" is more than sufficient.

X-sync requires overpowering ambient by at least 2 stops to prevent double-exposure ghosting. HSS is easier to blend with ambient.


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Nov 30, 2011 19:31 as a reply to  @ clarence's post |  #4

I was thinking 1/500 SS, it is what I used last year and can not recall any motion blur in the photos.
Last year I had no choice but to shoot ISO 3200, 1/500 @ 2.8.
By using a slightly lower ISO, say 2500 I will get cleaner images and only slightly underexposed if a strobe does not recycle fast enough.

I am not sure I can get the combo to sync any faster than 1/500
I will do some tests and post back to this thread at this Saturdays scrimmage.


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Nov 30, 2011 19:43 |  #5

I use the 1D Mark IV for basketball at ISO 12800, 1/640 and f/2.8 pretty much all the time. Lower ISO would be nice, but you should be able to get images with acceptable noise up to ~12x18 to maybe 16x20 at ISO 12800.

There is no size I'd be afraid to print at ISO3200. I kind of use ISO3200 as my default low-ISO setting for the 1D Mark IV in any lowish-light situation. When I get into a gym so bright I can shoot ISO3200 I'm happy as a clam.


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Dec 04, 2011 09:55 as a reply to  @ JeffreyG's post |  #6

I tried this for the first time yesterday and although it will take some more tweaking I think I will like it.
I tried first at lower ISO and the shadows were really bad. Here are a couple that were ISO 1200 1/500 @ 2.8. At these settings I had almost no distracting shadows.I was bouncing the strobes off the corner of the walls.

I will probably add a little more strobe and shoot at 3.2 at the next game.


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Jan 08, 2012 06:41 |  #7

Those look great. And happy birthday Denny.




  
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Jan 08, 2012 09:09 |  #8

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Those look great. And happy birthday Denny.

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