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Jan 09, 2012 14:52 |  #1

my friend is looking to buy a canon either t3i or 60d, has not decided yet as I wanted him to go see in person at the local store. Lens wise he wants something for indoor shots of the family. I am recommending him 17-55mm f2.8 is. I told him he can even save some money on the body by buying used or older body but spend on the glass. I think he will need external flash in addition to the lens. Last time I was at his place I was using my 35L at f2 ISO1600 with some bounce flash.

looking for other recommendations besides the lens I mentioned. He says he is willing to learn and slowly build up his lens collections as kids grow up.


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Jan 09, 2012 14:55 |  #2

For indoor use on my 50D I used to use a Sigma 30 F1.4. A great sharp lens, also a handy length on a crop body for outdoor use as well.


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Jan 09, 2012 15:06 |  #3

always makes sense to spend more on glass. if a flash is handy - it always helps. He can start with the 24-70 at 2.8 its pretty usable. i suggest a tripod for indoor shooting - can help use slower shutter speeds with aperture wide open to accommodate for ambient.
Also he might need to invest in some colour gels for flash as well. For starters though a zoom would help in composition initially though for a cheap prime you can look at the EF 24mm f/2.8 as well.

Personally i use my 30mm 1.4 sigma for indoor shooting. Flash helps a ton actually even with a fast prime.


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Jan 09, 2012 15:28 |  #4

yes but 30mm on 1.6 isn't wide enough. I have been to situations where 28mm on FF wasn't wide. I think since he mentioned inside family shots I assume wider would be better.

I have sigma and it is awesome lens but I think not the right choice for total newbie.


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Jan 09, 2012 15:30 |  #5

You know, I think the kit zoom (any of them) with a flash should be a good starter kit before he invests in the more expensive gear. I'm all for buying once, but if DOF is so small you can't get more than one person in focus, you need to stop down and use flash anyway. Tell him to get a flash and learn how to use it before he drops $1k or more on glass he may not really need.


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Jan 09, 2012 16:40 |  #6

botw wrote in post #13675066 (external link)
You know, I think the kit zoom (any of them) with a flash should be a good starter kit before he invests in the more expensive gear. I'm all for buying once, but if DOF is so small you can't get more than one person in focus, you need to stop down and use flash anyway. Tell him to get a flash and learn how to use it before he drops $1k or more on glass he may not really need.

I agree, before spending big bucks get the 18-55IS and flash for indoor shots




  
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Jan 09, 2012 17:00 |  #7

For standard family photo stuff, a flash is indispensible. I see a lot of people getting several very expensive lenses like the 17-55 and the 35L, and yet they don't shell out $225 for a 430EX II.

A flash is so useful in so many family type situations that your friend should have this on the 'must have' list. Nothing will give the beginner high quality, nicely lit and sharp photos with less study than a Speedlight and five minutes instruction on bouncing it.

I might suggest your friend start with a T3i and look for the two lens kit that includes the EF-S 18-55 IS and the EF-S 55-250. These two lenses are bundled with the Rebels so cheaply that you could almost regard the 18-55 IS as free. Then add a 430EX and he will be ready to go.

After shooting for a while, your friend can judge his level of interest and willingness to learn about the camera. If the interest level dictates, he can swap the 18-55 IS for a faster zoom (like the 17-55 you suggest) or he can keep the kit lens and add a fast prime like the 28/1.8.


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Jan 09, 2012 18:01 |  #8

thanks guys.


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Jan 09, 2012 19:11 |  #9

I'd also suggest that he look at the 18-135 and consider whether or not the 18-55 is enough range. I would always suggest an external flash as the next item that should be put into the bag.


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Jan 09, 2012 19:18 as a reply to  @ wayne.robbins's post |  #10

i love my t3i. the swivel screen is actually a lot more useful than a lot of people might realize. the wireless flash control is just a no brainer. my only beef with the camera is the autofocus points. the 60D is a lot better at capturing action, just plain and simple.

the 430ex has been the best investment i've made on the camera thus far. it makes just as dramatic a change to your photography, as buying a new lense IMO. the flash is the way to go.




  
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Jan 10, 2012 08:48 |  #11

Thanks.


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Jan 10, 2012 09:07 |  #12

JeffreyG wrote in post #13675604 (external link)
For standard family photo stuff, a flash is indispensible. I see a lot of people getting several very expensive lenses like the 17-55 and the 35L, and yet they don't shell out $225 for a 430EX II.

A flash is so useful in so many family type situations that your friend should have this on the 'must have' list. Nothing will give the beginner high quality, nicely lit and sharp photos with less study than a Speedlight and five minutes instruction on bouncing it.

I might suggest your friend start with a T3i and look for the two lens kit that includes the EF-S 18-55 IS and the EF-S 55-250. These two lenses are bundled with the Rebels so cheaply that you could almost regard the 18-55 IS as free. Then add a 430EX and he will be ready to go.

After shooting for a while, your friend can judge his level of interest and willingness to learn about the camera. If the interest level dictates, he can swap the 18-55 IS for a faster zoom (like the 17-55 you suggest) or he can keep the kit lens and add a fast prime like the 28/1.8.

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Jan 10, 2012 09:21 |  #13

I use my Sigma 30 more than my other wider lenses indoors. Some people say it's not wide enough.. I find it to be fine in most situations. I would absolutely recommend it as a starter lens, along with a decent flash. It is nice to have the versatility to use it with or without flash, and the image quality it produces at 1.4 is stunning.


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