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Are Amateurs destroying Photography

 
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Jan 22, 2012 23:56 |  #61

Tim S wrote in post #13751348 (external link)
This is why I think requiring a license to use a camera, would just be a terrible mistake.

Of course, it's just ridiculous.

What next? A licence to go to the toilet?

Licences are to regulate activities with a higher level of hazard to oneself and others around you. For example, driving licence, or forklift licence, or financial services licence (large risk of financial damage) or Gun licence.

A licence for photography? hahaahahhahahaha :lol::lol:


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Jan 23, 2012 00:09 |  #62

smorter wrote in post #13751617 (external link)
Of course, it's just ridiculous.

What next? A licence to go to the toilet?

Licences are to regulate activities with a higher level of hazard to oneself and others around you. For example, driving licence, or forklift licence, or financial services licence (large risk of financial damage) or Gun licence.

A licence for photography? hahaahahhahahaha :lol::lol:

what if you hurt my feelings? you better have a license ;)


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Jan 23, 2012 00:13 as a reply to  @ imjason's post |  #63

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Jan 23, 2012 00:14 |  #64

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Jan 23, 2012 00:39 |  #65

It doesn't matter if your a professional or amateur if you shoot good shots and the client is happy end of story. The way I see it competition is a good thing....I know a beginning Photographer with top of the line equipment....if he takes a paid gig the client would think he is a professional,but he will make rookie mistakes...we have a studio in town with a 30 year veteran turning out cookie cutter crap shots just to get paid... so my point is as long as your client is happy doesn't matter what level your at. You should be concentrating on bettering yourself and your craft before **** about the photographer down the street. I'll step of my soap box now.


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Jan 23, 2012 01:23 |  #66

This is as dumb as asking if talented home cooks are going to replace chefs...

Yes some of them will go to MasterChef and become chefs or start their own little restuarant or home order service. And some of them might go over to the dark side and become Gordon Ramsey ;-)a

But many others will be just as happy to remain home cooks who learn how to cook great stuff for their friends, guests and family.


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Jan 23, 2012 08:41 |  #67

That's why we have to look at ourself to find the weakness when business is going down or bad and try to improve from that..
If you're good ,honest.... people will come to you.
Dont try to ripp off your clients .
Sometimes amateurs work better than pros,I know this because i work in construction .




  
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Jan 23, 2012 08:51 |  #68

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He's right, but this will never happen. Photographers are too disorganized.

For starters, don't take this as some sort of regulation and 'big government' discussion. Lawyers, doctors, hairdressers and teachers all are regulated and have significant barriers to entry because that is exactly how they want it.

To be a lawyer (one example), you must graduate from law school and you must pass the bar exam. This is how lawyers restrict entry to their profession and this is how they prop up their fees. Without such restriction, legal help would be of much more varied quality, and also of much lower cost.

I just don't see photographers ever being so organized. I still think it is a wonder that hairdressers are.

You are right that more regulations = HIGHER COSTS to the consumer. That is why people are constantly fighting to reduce and eliminate them. Here in NH, for example, there is a bill being discussed (and will likely pass) to eliminate the licence requirement for hairdressers/barbers. The theory behind most of these kind of requirements is for the safety of the consumer -- in photography, no such safety issue exists. You can't expect the government to protect you from bad service just because you were too lazy to do your homework (not to mention that, even with regulations, there would STILL be plenty of bad photographers.)

Photography will not die, but the need to pay pros is going to be greatly diminished as good technology in cameras and lenses become available to the masses, the technology improves and makes it easier to get "great shots", and education becomes more readily available (no more "photography" degrees or classes in college required.) I am a good example of the next wave. Self-taught with basic equipment. :)


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Jan 23, 2012 08:58 |  #69

As a non-professional that takes photography serious, I will throw this out there.....

As a non-professional, there are people who expect things for rock bottom prices if there is no business card and website associated with your name. Considering most of my photos of women with cars were appreciated as the best in the area (although they are not the absolute best in the business), I was sent a private message from someone who asked if I would be willing to take on a job photographing his car and make a car show poster board since I am also good with photoshop. Keep in mind, he wanted me to drive 200 miles to where he lived from where my house is, but my house is 200 miles away from where I am. Thus, the drive would be 400 miles one way!! (But considering i was going to my house that weekend, I figured I would squeeze in some money-maker) Then he adds in last minute that he would like a CD of all the photos. So I rustle up some numbers and came out with this.

Mileage to and from my house, 400 miles (Round Trip), 1 hour of photos of his car (Approx 250 Photos), CD of all photos with 10 of his choice edited for car show poster board, 4 hours of making a car show board (No file, just the design).

I was asking $450.00 (I know, most likely too low) and yet he thought it was too much!!!

Some people just want things for free. As a "no-name," I was just trying to get my feet wet by under estimating the value of my work and doing this job just to get started.

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Jan 23, 2012 09:05 |  #70

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Jan 23, 2012 09:11 as a reply to  @ Chet's post |  #71

Harlan Ellison says it best in this Video:

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Jan 23, 2012 09:18 |  #72

I constantly have to put up with hearing my prices are too high, and so and so offers photos for less.

The guy who does my photo printing also shoots weddings, and he gets all kinds of brides that come in after the fact with a CD full of images, begging him to fix them because they went with a lower priced photographer. More often then not they are beyond fixing.

So yeah, the GWC is destroying things if they are a turn and burn kinda shooter.


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Jan 23, 2012 09:21 |  #73
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Tylers Mom wrote in post #13747648 (external link)
=Tyler's Mom;13747648]Everyone has to start somewhere....

Its definitely a changing industry, just like any other industry out there we've got to learn to adapt. I was getting alot more sessions until recently, sure it could be because all these new people or maybe it's the economy. Either way just have to learn to adapt. I don't think people are ruining anything, besides most people who aren't into photography for the art aspect eventually just fade off.


I agree, the more experience these amateurs gain from their so called "professionalism" the better, but I don't like to see them hurt pros at the expense of people who don't know how to shoot. Last year, I was a bit dumb founded to find someone in the pit area of a concert who was asking me how to shoot a gig (he was working with the band would you believe it)




  
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Jan 23, 2012 15:11 |  #74

I don't believe they are, more photos are being taken - I don't see how this can be bad.




  
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Jan 23, 2012 15:13 |  #75

YankeeMom wrote in post #13752823 (external link)
You are right that more regulations = HIGHER COSTS to the consumer. That is why people are constantly fighting to reduce and eliminate them. Here in NH, for example, there is a bill being discussed (and will likely pass) to eliminate the licence requirement for hairdressers/barbers. The theory behind most of these kind of requirements is for the safety of the consumer -- in photography, no such safety issue exists. You can't expect the government to protect you from bad service just because you were too lazy to do your homework (not to mention that, even with regulations, there would STILL be plenty of bad photographers.)

Photography will not die, but the need to pay pros is going to be greatly diminished as good technology in cameras and lenses become available to the masses, the technology improves and makes it easier to get "great shots", and education becomes more readily available (no more "photography" degrees or classes in college required.) I am a good example of the next wave. Self-taught with basic equipment. :)

Don't really know if the regulations go back far enough, but there was a time when the town barber was damn near your town doctor as well. There really was a public health issue related to barbering... Ever wonder what an infected shaving wound near your carotid artery would do to your blood?


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