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Feb 08, 2012 12:21 |  #1

Yes I waste money and clearly don't think about my decisions in their entirety otherwise I wouldn't have bought the 7d recently and now be thinking about full frame. I don't think the 7d is necessarily holding me back from anything but like some of you I'd like to switch to FF for maximum dof, quality and the different perspective it brings.

Here's my dilema, right now I mostly shoot my two year old, soon to have newborn and family type photography. I don't shoot sports, but I know I will in the future once my kids get into it. Although that can be 2-5 years at least down the line. So I was thinking I would benefit more from a 5d2 at this point in my life.

I can't justify cost wise owning two expensive cameras since its a hobby so I'd only ever have one camera. So the question remains, which is the best approach for me and my family.

If anything I could prob sell the 7d and 17-55 to fund the 5d2. However then I'd only have a body and a 35L and 85 (if the 85 would even work??). So that right there limits me with no glass!! Thoughts?? Thanks guys


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Feb 08, 2012 12:26 |  #2

I just recently bought a 5dc and love it! I don't know if its just the novelty of having a "new to me" camera but im using it way more than my 7D. In fact, I don't even miss the awesome AF system the 7D has. The center AF point in the 5D is still very quick and accurate. My only major gripe between the two bodies is the iso performance on the 5dc. The only L lens I own is a 24-70 2.8. It was usable on my 7D but had a hard time with it in small indoor locations. This lens now on my FF 5dc is freaking awesome. I love how I could finally use my nifty fifty in small rooms now.

If I were to do it all over again, I would have gotten a 5dmkii and a 5dc as a backup body.




  
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Feb 08, 2012 12:33 |  #3

I think you should stay with the 7D and the 17-55 2.8 and really get to know that camera and lens and don't waste any money. You could buy a 5D and a new lens but you will take the same images with the 5D that you would have with the 7D. New kit will not make your pictures better.


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Feb 08, 2012 12:38 |  #4

yes, both your 85mm and 35L will work with the 5D II.

I currently have a 5D II, and 50L as my only lens (I downgraded my gear due to my wife and I having a baby this past July).

I think the 7D is a very capable camera with some tech that is more updated than what can be found in the 5D II. Some people hear people praising how full frame is top of the line compared to crop, and want to go full frame after hearing other people's opinions. I'm not saying you are one of them, but it does happen enough to see a trend. There was one poster who bought a 5D II because it was "better", tried his hardest to mount an EF-S lens on it, and I think broken the mirror because the EF-S lens protruded too far into the camera.

all in all, only you can decide what is best for you, and not everyone else's opinions. Rent a 5D II for a week and that way you'll have both bodies to test and decide from. Just don't try to slap on EF-S lens on it :-)


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Feb 08, 2012 12:41 |  #5

MGiddings Photography wrote in post #13849636 (external link)
I think you should stay with the 7D and the 17-55 2.8 and really get to know that camera and lens and don't waste any money. You could buy a 5D and a new lens but you will take the same images with the 5D that you would have with the 7D. New kit will not make your pictures better.

I'm going to agree 100% with MGiddings, given what you've said about your needs. It won't be too long before the 5D Mark II is yesterday's cool camera, and you'll then want the 5D Mark III or whatever comes out next. More importantly, it's hard to beat the combination of 7D + 17-55mm f/2.8 for taking pictures of children.

I think you may be overestimating the difference in "dof, quality, and perspective" between the two cameras. I have and use both cameras, and I'd be surprised if you could look through my gallery and tell which camera shot what without viewing EXIF data.


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Feb 08, 2012 12:52 |  #6

I do like the idea of renting the body, but it's so much dam money to even rent a 5d2. I'd rather put it towards a purchase if anything. While I do agree the 7D and 17-55 is a great combo that I love to have, I can't help but wonder how much my style and experience would improve having a FF body. I would have a 35 which is wide and an 85 long and probably be fairly happy with a least both ends of the spectrum covered. Well, maybe not telephoto, but fairly close.


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Feb 08, 2012 12:57 |  #7

I think you mean minimum depth of field.

Agree with the others. If you don't know exactly how the current setup is limiting you there isn't a good reason to change. Think about some added quality glass before switching to FF. How about a 70-200 IS (f/4 or 2.8), or a 10-22?


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Feb 08, 2012 13:00 |  #8

chugger93 wrote in post #13849763 (external link)
I can't help but wonder how much my style and experience would improve having a FF body.

that right there is what many people think when they get bitten by the FF bug.

as others have said, unless you can come up with specific ways or areas that your 7D and 17-55mm IS lens is limiting to you (which is a killer combo by the way), then it's more gear lust than anything else.

of course we can give you advice all day, but it's ultimately your decision whether you want to slap down the chunk of cash to get the 5D II, which you may or may not end up being happy with since your skills will not improve by switching equipment. you'll still have the same techniques you used with your 7D.


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Feb 08, 2012 13:05 |  #9

gear lust I guess. just wonder how much more magical the 35L would become... ;)


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Feb 08, 2012 13:05 |  #10

I will stay with the 7D, especially you said there isn't anything limiting u with the 7D. I wouldn't sell the 7D for the 5D MK II, I will only add a 5D MKII to go with the 7D...lol~!


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Feb 08, 2012 13:08 |  #11

I like the quote on this user's sig. It's often more true than not.

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/member.p​hp?u=121016

once again, Chugger, I'm not picking on you in any way, just trying to point out what most others would tell you. If your current equipment is limiting you in ways that you are aware of, then perhaps an upgrade is needed. If you find yourself thinking very hard trying to find limiting factors, then it's probably gear lust, and to stick and learn with what you have before moving on. :-)


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Feb 08, 2012 13:10 |  #12

70-200 is a must have if you go full frame. I wouldn't get a 10-22 if even thinking of going full frame though. You will already have to get rid of the 17-55.


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Feb 08, 2012 13:14 |  #13

10-22 is such a good lens that it may relieve some of the perceived need to switch to full frame! Seriously though, get the lenses that are good for the camera you have unless there's an imminent plan to switch. If you buy it used you'll lose no money if you sell, if you buy new you might lose 15% or so, I consider that cheap rent.


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Feb 08, 2012 13:20 |  #14

Thanks everyone;

My only grip is when people ask why your current gear is limiting you. Why does it have to limit me in order to want something new and different, especially a bigger sensor? When I buy a tablet, do I ask myself first why my other tablet is limiting me? Or my phone for that matter? No absolutely not, its just a matter of wanting more, newer technology, different product, all of those things.

Yes I know the 7D is technically newer technology, but that's not my point. ;)


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Feb 08, 2012 13:21 |  #15

and that's why the decision is ultimately yours.

you post here and ask for thoughts from others, and we give them to you...and the thoughts are seemingly unanimous :-)


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